Posted in music on November 25, 2013

by Andrew Sacher

Title Fight at Europa in 2012 (more by Rebecca Reed)
Title Fight

"Emo is a style of rock music characterized by melodic musicianship and expressive, often confessional lyrics. It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace." [Wikipedia]
If you've been closely following along with the blogosphere lately, you've probably noticed talk, especially amongst the indie rock community, about an "emo revival." Some sites, like Stereogum and Buzzfeed, have directly written about the "revival," whereas others like Pitchfork -- a site which has previously derided even the most classic albums of the genre -- didn't explicitly call it a revival, but offered a valuable spotlight on the modern emo scene. NPR weighed in, asking, "Is Emo Back?," but still some, like Noisey, claim, "There's no emo revival, you just stopped paying attention." A writer at NYU Local agrees. Meanwhile, bloggers and local papers, like OC Weekly and Baltimore Sun, are running with this.

All of this attention is only doing the genre a service. As Chad Jewett points out on Half Cloth, "How did you find out about Diary, person born in 1988? Because you would have to have been preternaturally cool to have picked up on it in 1994 when it came out." In other words, maybe in 19 years someone will hear Is Survived By, and they'll thank their lucky stars for all these listicles and thinkpieces that pointed out that record and so many other great records. But does the increased attention for these bands (many of which have been around for years) in indie rock circles warrant calling it a revival? Maybe it's that people are realizing these "emo revival" bands have a lot more in common with indie rock bands than a lot of people thought.

For one reason or another (perhaps because kids who grew up on Drive-Thru Records comps are forming bands now), emo has been sneaking its way more and more into accepted indie rock. Nobody was screaming "emo revival" when Japandroids went from a well-liked indie rock band to one of the genre's most beloved with 2012's Celebration Rock, a record full of heart-wrenching lyrics, youthful spirit, and fast, catchy power chords -- all common descriptors of emo. (Not to mention it was released by Polyvinyl Records, home to such emo classics as Frame and Canvas, American Football, Look Now Look Again, and more.) Likewise, no one said it when Cloud Nothings' 2012 LP Attack On Memory got tons of love from indie rock critics upon its release and went on to appear in multiple year-end lists, including Pitchfork, Stereogum, Spin, and more. It's an indie record, but one with a heavy resemblance to early Sunny Day Real Estate and similarly emo lyrical themes ("I miss you 'cause I like damage / I need something I can hurt").

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Japandroids at Bonnaroo 2013 (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
Japandroids

These records had all too much common with the great emo releases of that year, including Title Fight's Floral Green and Joyce Manor's Of All Things I Will Soon Grow Tired. Both of those albums embraced raw production, honest, innovative music, and were not geared towards a radio-pop fanbase, but yet were largely ignored in indie rock circles. It's essentially what indie rock is, and a far cry from what pop bands tagged as emo like Panic at the Disco, Hawthorne Heights, and Senses Fail were doing. Those pop-emo bands, and countless others, dominated rock radio, MTV, and a major part of the conversation on emo during the mid-2000s, scaring away many indie rock fans and critics from the genre all together. The two weren't always enemies. Emo kids and indie rock kids both hold equal claim to bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Cursive, Bright Eyes, Death Cab for Cutie, Rilo Kiley, and others. Perhaps part of the split was because it was somehow cooler to look like this than like this.

Title Fight, who didn't appear on Pitchfork until the-year-of-the-revival despite notable album releases in 2011 & 2012, cited many of the same influences as modern indie rock bands for Floral Green, including Sebadoh, Hum, Nirvana, and Sonic Youth. And Joyce Manor did the same, namedropping Guided by Voices and Weezer's Pinkerton in interviews. It makes sense that fans who latched on to Japandroids/Cloud Nothings would gravitate towards Title Fight/Joyce Manor. So what makes them so different? Ian Cohen says in his 2013 Pitchfork review of the new Title Fight EP, "You're more likely to hear electro-pop or major-label bands such as Chvrches or Haim called "indie" more often than Title Fight. How is that? Is it because most of time, genre tags are used to described the perceived fanbase than the music itself?"

The question Ian poses in that review seems to be a huge factor in the need some have to cite an "emo revival." If Japandroids and Cloud Nothings are your kind of indie rock, or punkier indie-approved bands like Titus Andronicus and Fucked Up, or classic bands like Dinosaur Jr, Built To Spill, Superchunk, and Archers of Loaf, chances are you're going to (or already do) find a lot to like in Title Fight, Joyce Manor, Pity Sex (essentially a shoegaze band), Cloakroom (sludgy slowcore), Placeholder (fuzz rock/'90s-style indie/etc), and many more. And as certain people, like Jaded Punk Dan Ozzi in his Noisey article pointed out, these bands didn't come out of nowhere. This comparatively underground scene of emo has been co-existing with the mall-emo scene for years, and perhaps it's getting called a "revival" because of the sudden interest for it from a fanbase who, for the most part, previously ignored anything associated with that three-letter word.

I do think, to some extent, that at one point the "emo revival" tag meant something. Now-defunct bands like Algernon Cadwallader (who have a new band, Dogs On Acid, in the works and whose guitarist Joe Reinhart is now a sometimes-member of Hop Along) and Snowing/Street Smart Cyclist (whose singer John Galm now fronts the excellent garage punk band Slow Warm Death) revived a very specific type of emo in the late 2000s -- the math rock-influenced kind done (perhaps most notably) in the mid-'90s by Cap'n Jazz. That sound, which some people bafflingly call "twinklecore," can be heard in late-2000s bands Castevet, Empire! Empire! (I Was A Lonely Estate), 1994!, and bands who rose more recently, including The World Is A Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid To Die, Dads, and Prawn. But that's only a small sect of the genre as a whole. I recently said that Brand New's 2006 LP The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is my favorite emo album since Diary, and Devil and God only came out two years before Algernon's first, 1994!'s first, and La Dispute's first. Thursday's final record, No Devolucion, came out in 2011 and in my opinion it's one of their best. The genre had a rough period as it entered the mainstream (but so did so many other genres) but it never vanished.

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Touche Amore at Riot Fest 2013 (more by Kirstie Shanley)
Touche Amore

Why is it all happening now though? Perhaps with "indie rock's tuneful death rattle" and "the decline of guitar rock" in effect, with artists like Haim, Chvrches, Icona Pop, The 1975, and Lorde currently dominating the indie rock discussion, there are still people yearning for raw, scrappy guitar rock with DIY ethics and an alternative mindset. And a lot of us are finding that those cravings are satisfied by this large, thriving group of "emo" bands. In his "indie rock death rattle" piece on Grantland, Steven Hyden welcomed indie turning pop as a natural progression, but did point out some may be seeking something less pleasant, which he finds in Touche Amore's latest LP, Is Survived By.

Touche's record, another getting extra attention now thanks to the "revival," is one of the finest releases of this year, and embodies so many of the key factors of "underground rock." Its aggression is raw and unpolished, but it's melodically and dynamically exploring new ground for rock music. Lyrically, the themes won't be unfamiliar to indie rockers, exploring existential uncertainties ("To swallow mortality is enough of a task / And leaving your mark is just too much to ask") that aren't too different from a band like Titus Andronicus ("Okay, I think by now we've established everything is inherently worthless / And there's nothing in the universe with any kind of objective purpose"). They also happen to be musically and communally connected to post-hardcore bands like Converge and Thursday who have influenced forward-thinking underground rock bands, just as Pavement and the Pixies have.

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At The Drive-In at Coachella 2012 (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
ATDI

It's not only newer bands though. Many now broken-up bands have been reuniting, and getting welcomed back very warmly. It's no surprise that the much-loved At the Drive-In caused excitement when they reunited, but in case there was any doubt how large that excitement would be in indie circles: They got huge spots on major indie rock festivals like Lollapalooza and Coachella, and the reunion also got notable coverage on many indie sites, including Pitchfork, who weren't too kind to their classic Relationship of Command LP upon its release but scored it significantly higher upon its April 2013 reissue.

The fact that the idea of "indie rock" is so vague and encompasses so many things, many of which are not "indie" or "rock," is a great thing, but there are still kids who can't settle for Chvrches when a past generation got Fugazi. And luckily those kids won't have to worry. In addition to many of the bands mentioned above, there's Speedy Ortiz, Waxahatchee, Swearin', A Great Big Pile of Leaves, Courtesy Drop, Little Big League, Frameworks, Calculator, Iron Chic, Big Eyes, Single Mothers, Sundials, Aye Nako, Worriers, Caravels, Pianos Become the Teeth and so many more that all satisfy a similar craving, whether or not you call them "emo," "indie," or a "revival."

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Touche Amore - "Just Exist"

Title FIght - "Be A Toy"

Joyce Manor - "Violent Inside"

Japandroids - "The House That Heaven Built"

Cloud Nothings - "Fall In"

Cloakroom - "Bending"

Pity Sex - "Wind-Up"

Placeholder - "Caught the Crown"

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Comments (84)

oh this comment section should be a fap-fest

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:01 PM

just wish someone on here had a clue...

1st Wave: (The 80s DC Area)

Rites of Spring
Moss Icon
Embrace

2nd Wave: (or what people who weren't there refer to as Skramz or Screamo)

Indian Summer
Current
Native Nod
Policy of 3
Mohinder
Antioch Arrow
Drive Like Jehu
Republic of Freedom Fighters
Hoover
Navio Forge
Evergreen
The Van Pelt

3rd Wave: (Mid 90s and the Midwestern Invasion)

Promise Ring
Jimmy Eat World
Texas is the Reason
Boys Life
Braid
Cap'n Jazz
Boys Life
Christie Front Drive
The Get Up Kids
Sunny Day Real Estate
Mineral

4th Wave: (The Ruining)

I don't have a list because the bands from the 3rd wave were still making decent records,
but there was a rise of crappy bands like Dashboard Confessional, Thursday, Saves the Day and Taking back Sunday
destroying the genre that I love and making the term "emo" into a household word and making it sound dirty.

--Honorable Mention:

Pele
Bells on Trike
Penfold


5th Wave: (the "Midwestern Revival" or "Twinklecore")

Algernon Cadwallader
Snowing
Malegoat
Prawn
Empire! Empire!
Glocca Morra
Into It. Over It.
TWIABPAIANLATD
Loud?
Gates

--Honorable Mention:

Crash of Rhinos
Plaids
Well Wisher

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:03 PM

^ wow dude.. you thought about this way too much

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:06 PM

I'm gonna add Garden Variety to this, they were doing that structure when everyone was laughing behind their backs and then came around. GV was better than 90% of that list and get no fucking credit. Another band that was incredible was American Football.

Posted by emo bs | November 25, 2013 3:07 PM

can't not mention waxahatchee, swearin' and speedy ortiz, huh BV?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:14 PM

Something to Write Home About was worth trashing; if any of that band's output was worth writing about it was 4 minute mile.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:16 PM

Stop writing about this shit. Holy fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:18 PM

"Stop writing about this shit. Holy fuck."

u mad bro?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:21 PM

SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I don't know any of the bands from 3:03PM

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:24 PM

Perfect article and synopsis, Andrew. This is like the end-all of the entire discussion.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:24 PM

I have no horse in this race, but I am willing to take 3:03's word for it. Seems like he knows what he's talking about.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:25 PM

^ how is it possible to not know any of those bands?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:26 PM

Ok ok ok time for me, the one who has the most knowledge about hardcore punk than anyone in Brooklyn Vegan comments to chime in, and my word is law.

First off, indie rock was not "emo before emo", it was indie rock, and indie rock had no scene save by geography (The Replacements, Husker Du, and Soul Asylum in Minneapolis, The Pixies, Blake Babies, and Lemonheads in Boston, and so on and so forth.)

Emo was borne out of the hardcore punk scene, that's right, deal with it, and you can cut all the fucking bands who formed after 1990 out of the picture because of it. Emo was considered a more emotional form of hardcore, that's it. All those "3rd Wave" and "4th Wave" emo bands were just indie rock bands with people who grew up listening to hardcore punk, didn't want to play it, and didn't play it with their respective bands, that's it. The "2nd Wave" bands were too noisy, chaotic, spastic, and off-time to be "emo".

In conclusion, the only true emo bands were Embrace and Rites Of Spring as no one called any of the 2nd through 4th wave bands "emo" until years after their breakups. If you didn't call it emo in 1996 or 1998, it ain't emo now, sorry kids.

Emo has been by and large a derisive word used by meatheads towards anything they think is "soft", meatheads who forget their hardest of the hardcore yo records were "emo" too since they were very emotional as well. This word is being misused.

Posted by D | November 25, 2013 3:26 PM

303...do you have any tattoos with animals or stars?

i liked garden variety.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:27 PM

trolling trolls

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:28 PM

Funny, when I first heard Celebration Rock it reminded me of the Movielife's 'It's Go Time'

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:32 PM

How is Sebadoh (Lou mostly) never mentioned when people talk about the origins of "emo"?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:35 PM

In some ways I'm just glad these bands have chosen guitars over keyboards as their instrument of choice.

Still can't help their ability to write a decent song; which is a whole other thing no matter when you get in the game.

Um also Deep Elm was thee Emo label for a spell but whatever.

Too many f*cking bands.

Posted by Eastern Anchors | November 25, 2013 3:36 PM

Good list 3:03. Poor Still Life, nobody remembers them.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:42 PM

Emo is just a word of derision record labels and indie rock journalist made into a genre of music.

When Embrace and Rites Of Spring were called "emo" it was not a compliment. Emo was the musician/band equivalent of being called a "homo" - it even sounded like homo. That was the idea. It was calling a band homo without using the word - enter "emo".

Emo = punk in terms of it being a bastardized word.

Posted by D | November 25, 2013 3:44 PM

And Captured Tracks is the Drive-Thru Records of "indie rock". Where does that fit?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:48 PM

my favorite emo band is Rich Homie Quan.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:49 PM

i say we just destroy the entire music industry and start again from scratch

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:56 PM

We want the Anniversary to tour!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:56 PM

At the Drive-In is hardly the best example of Pitchfork's revisionist history. The original release got a 6.1 and the reissue a 6.4.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 3:57 PM

...and before Brooklynvegan, there was makeoutclub...

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:00 PM

deep elm! i remember seeing camber at the cooler on 14th street...i think braid opened.

ah, high school.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:02 PM

"303...do you have any tattoos with animals or stars?
i liked garden variety."

no tattoos at all

GV was amazing, was lucky enough to see them a bunch.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:04 PM

this post is way too long to read. I'm going to skip it. thanks anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:04 PM

Where do the Modern Weepers fit in?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:05 PM

Who are the Modern Weepers?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:05 PM

This article is way too long for a style of music that sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:05 PM

The Modern Weepers are the original emo band

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:06 PM

The Modern Weepers were so emo before there was even emo

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:06 PM

TG, DR

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:19 PM

The Modern Weepers were the comedic mods of emo.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:24 PM

listen to Garden Variety is what i hope everyone takes from this

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:26 PM

Genre means nothing it's just who you're friends are. Why were the minutemen a hardcore band?

-twiabp&ianlatd

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:27 PM

THE DOGS ARE ON ACID, PEOPLE. THE DOGS...ARE ON ACID.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:37 PM

CREAMO

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:46 PM

"Well, first of all, I don't recognize that attribution. I've never recognized "emo" as a genre of music. I always thought it was the most retarded term ever. I know there is this generic commonplace that every band that gets labeled with that term hates it. They feel scandalized by it. But honestly, I just thought that all the bands I played in were punk rock bands."        - Guy Picciotto

Whose classification are you going to go by? Spin magazine? Pitchfork? Or the guy who actually wrote the fucking songs?  

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 4:47 PM

who da fuck calls the Van Pelt screamo?

Half those band aren't even from the midwest.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 5:02 PM

Speedy Ortiz plug disguised as a 5000 word essay about emo. A new low?

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 5:11 PM

Panda Bear revival - 2017

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 5:36 PM

I still heart MyChem and I don't care who knows it!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 5:43 PM

An open letter to Lady Gaga. I love how what is deemed important in music today boils down to Haim/Chvrches vs an emo renaissance. And people seriously try to write about this shit that deserves either a Bullet (Rolling Stone, at least the first couple record guides), an F (Christgau), a turd on their suburban lawn or a puddle of piss in their Billyburg hallway (Bangs), a one word review or ignored completely (Cosloy, Davis, et. al.) or pondered on endlessly by Parales or Powers or NPR as this years' cultural signifier, until the next "big thing" comes around in 2014. Rock is dead? Spin IS dead! Who killed them and why? At least everything is easier to license for commercials across the board. Sorry NME, the cannon still stands and no album by the Nationals can crack it. I shudder that the 1975 Fleetwood Mac album sounds good in the coffee shop with the blonde chick with the piercing humming along. She will never know of let alone break out the new Steve Ignorant album, that's for sure. And I can only prey that the vinyl pressing of the Haim will not replace it. Please, for the love of god, bestow Artpop on us all. For, perhaps, it will save one of us.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 6:08 PM

that's ParEles, you dolt!

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 6:12 PM

Is building racecars out of your own poop emo? If it is, consider me the King.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 6:18 PM

3:03 nailed it. thanks

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 6:23 PM

A few of my favorites were Puller, Elliott, Branston, and Appleseed Cast, with the latter of the two I was lucky to play shows with in Illinois and Indiana on multiple occasions. I guess you could say I grew out of the genre. Most of the bands out there now I have trouble listening to because of the lack of good song structure and the lack of strong hooks that make a song memorable. I know my tastes have changed, but I am always willing to give the bands of the genre a chance since I held the music close to my heart in my teens and early twenties. I just didn't like the fact that it became a fashion trend or a "look." I knew that at its core was the feeling it gave you when you heard it and experienced it live. It was never a hairdo or a style of clothes for me.

Posted by Stan | November 25, 2013 7:21 PM

Garden Variety, who blow away Mineral or knapsack or any of these whiners were really doing this first and BETTER, alongside Jawbreaker (incredible band) and really never got respect. So stupid, that band was amazing, long live Gern and GV.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 7:31 PM

Great, more bands with ugly white dudes w/ think rimmedglasses.. How much more. I miss rock stars that were kind of scary. I could beat up all these dudes and I'm handicapped..I kid!! I do love rites of spring, they were nuts!! Anyway, all of this crap is a million times more relivant then the black keys and the white strips(who I could also beat up).. ;)

Posted by Buddy Hollie glasses need to go out of style | November 25, 2013 7:33 PM

Dear You,


bet bent

Hugz & kisses,

blayne

Posted by blayne | November 25, 2013 7:45 PM

Dashboard Confessional at Barclay's Center in 2014.

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 8:53 PM

Rites of spring taught them all

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 9:31 PM

get


bent

Posted by blayne | November 25, 2013 10:03 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 10:07 PM

^really diverse styles of emo from track to track

Posted by Anonymous | November 25, 2013 10:43 PM

I grew up in DC during the time of RoS and Embrace and thought of calling them Emo during that time is laughable. For Embrace is was a vehicle for Ian Mckaye to get from Minor Threat to Fugazi. Remember it was only one record (a decent one but only one). It wasn't until I moved to NM and introduced to real Emo bands jawbreaker, samiam, seaweed, nuisance and more mainly from the East Bay. Once those bands broke up, I was done. From that moment on it's been all jangley guitars and off key whining vocals. No thanks.

Posted by Eric | November 26, 2013 9:43 AM

LYNC too.

Posted by Anonymous | November 26, 2013 9:48 AM

Son, my boy D got opinions that destroy you like 42 decks... And his unwavering comment stamina is proof he be shooting up on that golden brown colored hummus with uncut Phyto-Nuttients. Don't f*ck with D, or you get the D in the B... Knameen?

Posted by Anonymous | November 26, 2013 10:08 AM

Big Eyes is far from emo. They're like power pop or 77 punk. And Swearin' is like grungy college rock. Also not emo. You guys sure love mentioning them though.

Posted by Anonymous | November 26, 2013 5:51 PM

If we're going to talk about this emo revival, Alligator Gun better get some love.

Posted by Anonymous | November 26, 2013 5:56 PM

alligator gun? what a croc!

Posted by Anonymous | November 26, 2013 10:42 PM

to summarize: suburban music for teenagers

Posted by Anonymous | November 27, 2013 1:15 AM

"Yolo Revival"

Posted by Anonymous | November 27, 2013 1:25 AM

fall out boy
life house
smashing pumpkins
a raven's sorrow

Posted by Anonymous | November 27, 2013 3:40 AM

maybe i know the meaning of 'Emo Revival' & how 'Indie Rock' was already 'Emo' (or vice versa),As long as we go on,it will change to popularity as usual

Posted by UpetMart | November 27, 2013 3:57 AM

I think that Vertical Horizon had the most emo talking points crammed into one pop song. This world record may already have been broken for a long time, but I would not be the one to know, as I am the one who remembers Vertical Horizon, their songs, lyrics, and videos too.

Posted by Anonymous | November 28, 2013 4:52 AM

GOOD LUCK

Posted by Anonymous | November 29, 2013 10:27 PM

i like is band! good work! i love is jobs!

Posted by arcondicionadoautomotivo | December 3, 2013 8:49 PM

senses fail and hawthorne heights aren't pop emo. they're not even poppy

Posted by wuih | December 17, 2013 7:17 PM

Nobody thought New Wind LP by 7 Seconds?

I always thought Beneath The Shadows by TSOL could warrant an "emo" discussion.

honestly, let's call it all rock n' roll and shut the fuck up.

Posted by Jeff | December 17, 2013 8:21 PM

Does anyone consider marcy's playground grind core?

Posted by Anonymous | December 18, 2013 4:45 PM

I love how young people will just re-write any part of history that they weren't a part of or that isn't to their liking. D's first comment is truth. Deal with it faggos.

Posted by Anonymous | December 19, 2013 11:02 AM

I love how young people will just re-write any part of history that they weren't a part of or that isn't to their liking. D's first comment is truth. Deal with it faggos.

Posted by Anonymous | December 19, 2013 11:02 AM

love this band, I'm still going to a show

Posted by voce | December 21, 2013 8:25 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2013 6:37 PM

Not as many people listened to the Zunes, but they were better

Posted by Anonymous | December 26, 2013 3:58 PM

if music is a state of mind, emo has gotta be one of the worst

Posted by Anonymous | January 7, 2014 2:39 PM

Antioch Arrow!

Posted by Anonymous | January 8, 2014 6:09 PM

thanks for turning me on to Slow Warm Death

Posted by Anonymous | January 9, 2014 12:31 AM

I don't think they're a hardcore band, but regardless, hardcore was born as a subgenre of punk, so I don't think he's too far off by referring to it as 'punk'. TF is not straight-up punk rock, but it's not as far off as you seem to believe.

Posted by Adalynn | March 3, 2014 4:14 AM

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