Posted in Contests | music on November 11, 2013

MBV @ Philly's Electric Factory, 11/9/2013 (via @mceachern68)

As you may know, My Bloody Valentine are in town for two NYC shows, their first since 2009 and they're the last ones of their 2013 world tour before (supposedly) going back into the studio record an EP and work on some vinyl reissues. Tonight's show (11/11) is with Australia's Dumb Numbers who feature Dinosaur Jr's Murph on drums and who snuck in a surprise show last night at The Flat; Tuesday's show (11/12) will be opened by DIIV. Tickets are still available for both shows. But if you'd like to go for free we're giving a pair away to each show. Details on how to enter are below.

In our interview with MBV's Kevin Shields, we asked him where the best place to stand was at one of their concerts:

Honestly, just in front of the sound guy I guess. (Laughs.) It just depends on the venue, really. A lot of venues the desk is in the back, and the "sweet spot" is about ten feet in front of that. So... in the middle?
Check out live footage of the band playing "Only Shallow" at The Aragon in Chicago on 11/3, and the set list from Saturday's show in Philly (11/9), below...


My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow"

SETLIST: My Bloody Valentine @ The Aragon 11/3/2013
I Only Said
When You Sleep
New You
You Never Should
Honey Power
Cigarette in Your Bed
Only Tomorrow
Come in Alone
Only Shallow
Nothing Much to Lose
Who Sees You
To Here Knows When
Wonder 2
Feed Me With Your Kiss
You Made Me Realise

For a chance at winning a pair of tickets to see MY BLOODY VALENTINE AT HAMMERSTEIN BALLROOM on 11/11 or 11/12: either tweet something that includes both @BrooklynVegan AND "MY BLOODY VALENTINE" in the tweet, or send an email to BVCONTESTS@HOTMAIL.COM with the subject line "MY BLOODY VALENTINE". Include your first and last name in the email and which night you want to attend. We'll pick a winner at random and contact them with more details. If you enter by email, it will not be shared with anyone else. Good luck!



Comments (153)

DIIV opening? I'm in.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 2:56 PM

ughhh diiv is the best they could come up with?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 2:56 PM

Wow Diiv makes it worth the $70.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 2:59 PM


Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 2:59 PM

What are set times?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:03 PM


Posted by rj | November 11, 2013 3:07 PM

Sky Ferreira will be playing as well.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:20 PM

DIIV are an awesome fit.

BV has too many Negative Nancies...but we already knew that.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:21 PM

Diiv: Paying to play big NYC shows since 2012.

I never knew they were the only band from NYC who could open big NYC shows.

Hey "Devin" are you guys fans of My Bloody Valentine? Or are you not but you wanna jock their crowd like you jocked Blink 182's?

This band is paying to play because how do they get on shows with Blink 182 AND MBV? Those bands are too different for Diiv to be opening for both.

Someone tell whoever booking Diiv that sticking them on most big NYC shows isn't gonna make them big themselves, it's only gonna stir up resentment from local/area bands who have been around longer and put in more work than they have and make people grow weary of seeing them play every big show.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 3:24 PM

3:20 - and that's a good thing?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:25 PM

opener at 8PM, MBV at 9:10 PM

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:32 PM

3:24pm, more info on "Devin" please, and also, you forgot to mention their tour with the less popular Trent Reznor band.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:42 PM

3:24pm - You're wrong. Parquet Courts are the only other band who can open big NYC shows.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:43 PM

why does mbv need an opener? they are a singular experience.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 3:57 PM

It's their last show on this tour and they picked Diiv? So special. Glad I got the Monday tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 4:19 PM

Not for $76

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 4:50 PM

Devin from DIIV here. Yes, MBV is one of my favorite bands of all time (in my opinion, the best band on the planet currently still making good records). When the new record came out, I raced to my friend's house in Greenpoint and we listened to it on repeat all night long while sipping cider. At Market Hotel (where I was living at the time), me and my roommates set up a room entitled "the MBV room" where we had a black light set up, a bong, and the record playing on repeat out of some lush speakers. At least once a day, I'd wander into the room and just chill out. Without a doubt, it's my number 1 record of 2013 and I can't remember the last time an album came out that had such a great impact on me and all of my friends.

I try not to think about how we're opening for them or how Kevin Shields asked us to play because I can't wrap my head around it honestly. It's an honor to share the stage with them and I personally don't think we're worthy at all but I guess it makes sense. Kind of strange that Kevin's brother's band isn't opening the show like he usually does. I just hope I don't do anything goofy in front of Bilinda Butcher.

Now "D"ickwad, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't go around informing others that we pay to play these shows. Who the fuck pays to play shows? The concept of that completely fucking escapes me.

Posted by Serpent | November 11, 2013 6:23 PM

Ah once again the dickhead who moderates comments is keeping me from posting my entire reply so here's Part 1 of 3. Blame this asshole mod for that.

First off, you are not Devin from Diiv and if you were stop with the "headliner asked you to play" horseshit (which it is.) First Blink 182's manager or someone in Blink 182 asked Diiv to play now Kevin Shields from MBV asked Diiv to play. You are ridiculous for namedropping bands and their managers. You are even more ridiculous for painting yourself and your fellow trustfund baby rich kid Market Hotel roomies as the NYC chapter of The My Bloody Valentine Fanclub and MBV superfans and you just finally listened to MBV this or last year you fucking POSER as Loveless came out in 1991, 22 years ago. What are you, 27 years old? Let's say you're 35 years old tops. You listened to Loveless when you were only 13 years old? Bullshit. I doubt you knew who MBV was ten years ago/age 25. You played MBV in a blacklight lit room LOL can you be more of a wannabe tryhard?

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 7:56 PM

Part 2 (again thank the mod):

Second, I would appreciate if you would tell everyone that your band Diiv and your pals Parquet Courts are booked by Ground Control Touring who pays for you two to get big shows with the likes of Nine Inch Nails, Blink 182, MBV, and whoever the hell PC opens for. How does two bands who have barely put in any work as unsigned touring bands get these kinds of shows? It's as if you two are the only NYC bands around when you're not.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 7:59 PM

Part 3 forthcoming as it's not letting me post.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 8:01 PM

Look everyone, BV is making extra sure Ground Control Touring pay to play and Bowery Presents propped bands aren't being exposed.

I'll post Part 3 sooner or later trust me.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 8:03 PM

I am proud to strike a nerve in you enough for you to call me "D"ickwad when the only dickwads are Diiv.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 8:21 PM

Admit you don't all these shows without the backing you have and move on. Who the fuck pays to play shows? YOU! DIIV. And Parquet Courts, through your booking agency Ground Control Touring. The concept escapes you? Way to play dumb.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 8:35 PM

Devins chill

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 8:43 PM

"Someone tell whoever booking Diiv that sticking them on most big NYC shows isn't gonna make them big themselves, it's only gonna stir up resentment from local/area bands who have been around longer and put in more work than they have and make people grow weary of seeing them play every big show."

lol yeah, can barely count the number of massive pr machine bands whose careers were destroyed because local bands playing to empty rooms at spike hill got mad at them

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 8:53 PM

^ Devin's chill? Really? His MBV-Superfan panties are all in a knot over me saying his band's booking agency paid to have Diiv play the eve of Diiv playing with MBV.

What's even more laughable is his claim that Kevin Shields personally asked his band to play when someone might've mentioned or mentioned Diiv, he was like "Who? Yeah sure, whatever." as I doubt MBV picks their openers or takes a hands-on role in picking them let alone gives a fuck who opens for them.

My problem with Diiv is they get too many big shows based on who books them and their connections. At some point you have to ask who do they know and blow.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 8:53 PM

Ah so you admit/agree that Diiv is a "massive PR machine band", thanks.

When they flop those bands and people will remember them as such and not support them. That's the point you missed, Bubbie.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 9:06 PM

OH! WOW! Really. Like OMG WTF LOL WUT?

When is Emily getting married? How can can Devin and the rest of Diiv find their future brides? Can propped up PR machine darling wannabe MBVs like Diiv qualify as "celebrities"?

Posted by Rain (D) | November 11, 2013 9:26 PM

Nice spam filter, BV.
People can't type S P I N DO C TORS, but real actual spam like 9:17 gets through. Way to go.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 9:32 PM

Hahaha I tried to post "Spi n Docto rs" and "SPI N DOCTO RS" without the spaces and got the comments approval message.

Did BV piss off someone/everyone in that band or something? They'd sue BV?

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 9:44 PM

Devin from...fuck it. D, you're exactly that. A big fat floppy dick. Why the hell would a booking agency pay for one of their bands to get on an exciting bill? You don't know jack fucking shit about the industry. I'd continue but I'm at work and I'm watching A Scanner Darkly for the first time so i'd rather not.

Posted by Serpent | November 11, 2013 9:53 PM

s  p  i  n    d  o  c  t  o  r  s 

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 9:55 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2013 10:26 PM

You people (or person) are pathetic. I bet MBV would be embarrassed to know that some of their so-called "fans" were so classless. Go for the music and if you don't like the opener, skip it.

Posted by Calm down | November 11, 2013 11:41 PM

9:53pm I know how the industry works and has worked for decades. You, however, need to stop living in denial and admit your band has received a disproportionate amount of high-profile NYC shows despite existing for maybe two years with ZERO DIY touring under your collective belt and little touring as your ridiculously too soon launched Wiki page has you touring for a grand total of two months (last November-December) as support for well-known indie bands including one on a major label (The Vaccines.) Have you even toured the U.S. yourselves without being support or a booking agency doing the work for you? Have you even played A WEEKEND OUTSIDE OF NYC? NJ, LI, CT not on tour? Upstate NY? I know one of you got pulled over for drug paraphernalia in upstate NY but where's the show in Syracuse or some shit?

What band besides yours has a fucking Wikipedia page after forming in 2011 and putting out only one LP after THEIR RECORD LABEL NOT THEM released a pair of singles before putting out the LP. Diiv has never even put out music themselves!

Here you go folks. Below is Diiv's Wiki page where the first half of it (more like 70% of it) is how they came up with the name and how/why they changed it. This band has barely existed (two years), has only two singles and an album but no independently released records, no independent touring, no extensive NYC shows list, yet they've opened for Blink 182, Nine Inch Nails, and My Bloody Valentine. Can we say $$$$$ pay to play? Yep!!! This band is indie rock's boy band plain and simple.

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 11:41 PM

BTW "A Scanner Darkly"? Am I supposed to be impressed by that? You're cool for watching that. Let me IMDB this...hold on... Wow, a 2006 sci-fi movie with four washed up actors (one a former shoplifter, another a sellout who is currently whoring himself out for the Iron Man/comic book movie moron crowd in Robert Downey Jr.)

"An undercover cop in a not-too-distant future becomes involved with a dangerous new drug and begins to lose his own identity as a result."

That's right up your druggie frontman Zach's alley LOL.

BTW I want you to list ALL the NYC shows Diiv has played BEFORE the band signed to Captured Tracks AND Ground Control Touring, all four shows LOL. I know you don't have a self-release and have never toured outside of The Vaccines and Japandroids (BTW what kind of stupid fucking name is that?)

Posted by D | November 11, 2013 11:50 PM

stop with this nonsense - just got back from the show and would rather have had DIIV than the opener tonight

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 12:19 AM

^ Nonsense? Nope, just want to find out what Diiv has done to deserve opening for My Bloody Valentine, Nine Inch Nails, and Blink 182 when they've never put out a record themselves, booked their own tour or even a weekend of shows, and I bet never played more than 3 or 4 NYC shows before being signed to Captured Tracks.

Who did they know and blow?

Posted by D | November 12, 2013 2:02 AM

Just testing: T ac0 be el !

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 2:12 AM

Pocket Full of Kryptonite

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 2:41 AM


Posted by D | November 12, 2013 3:05 AM

Hope there will be enough Decks for DIIV.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 3:22 AM

^ Hahahaha

For those who don't know Diiv's early '90s grunge longhair singer got busted in upstate NY possessing decks while driving a 1990 model car. Talk about going incognito small-time drug runner LOL.

Posted by D | November 12, 2013 3:39 AM

D - you weren't here at the time. a lot of people were just typing s p i ndo cto rs for so long that the words got blocked.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 7:55 AM

D- I think it started about 2 or so years ago, when BV mentioned that the Sp1nd0ctors were playing at Brooklyn Bowl. The trolls had a field day with that for weeks on end.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 8:19 AM

I'm anyone gonna talk about last night! so good wanna go back again!

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 8:39 AM

I have to admit, those were good times. A little pocquet fu77 ov krypton!te was all i needed.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 8:46 AM

8:46 it was GREAT...but NOT as good as Roseland 08. So wish I too was going again tonight.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 8:55 AM

This "D" gentlemen seems eager as hell to prove his point. You gonna be okay buddy? AND THE FLAVIN

Posted by Fat Cindy | November 12, 2013 9:34 AM

The show sucked and was a waste of money and time. The venue was too big to get the sound right.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 9:38 AM

^ahh great review thanks

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 10:12 AM

please, what time did mbv go on? thanks!

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 10:31 AM

Doors at 7ish; opener was at 8; mbv just after 9. Show over by 10:40. No encore.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 10:43 AM

10:31, they went on just after 9pm yesterday.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 10:45 AM

Dicks get sucked

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 3:56 PM

No encore is weak - come out and play one more song.

'Not surprised the sound sucked as they're too dissonant for a big room.

I'm ok Fat Cindy, thanks!

Posted by D | November 12, 2013 5:02 PM

Diiv must've given 42 decks to the booking agent to get this gig

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 6:07 PM

D is a fucking retard, not one word of what he's saying is even remotely true.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 6:59 PM

So bands are not allowed to get popular fast by playing like 6 times a week in the first 6 months of existence where there was literally any stage they could play. Ok. I saw diiv come up and they were always a dope live act and then the LP came out and sounded fantastic.

D sounds like some jealous loser who can't handle that band got popular very quickly while all his shitty bands had to "put in more work". Hey genius, if you have to "put in work" that means your band probably sucks. You are hating a band because they came out of the gate strong. What a fucking asshole you are, D.

Posted by FU | November 12, 2013 7:03 PM

I hope whoever D is dies, or--twist-- is actually Cole from diiv.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 7:07 PM

Devin from DIIV here. A Scanner Darkly was aight. I just really like Linklater.

D, we used to play 3 shows a day, 3 days a week. We worked out asses off. When we practice, I don't consider it shit unless ALL of my fingers bleed. We've never done a headlining tour but we've played tons of free DIY shows and pool parties/basements. D is the biggest hater of all time.

Posted by Serpent | November 12, 2013 7:38 PM

Why was it okay when Godspeed opened for NIN, which makes 0 sense considering NIN fans are on the whole disgusting metal heads, but when Diiv opens for MBV it's a huge deal.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2013 10:26 PM

Look 6:59pm is all bent out of shape so much all he can do is call me a name.

7:03pm Hey fuckface Diiv was not playing six times a week for the first six months. Where the fuck is this "Diiv played left and right" bullshit coming from all of a sudden. Wow, they played a ton of shows in SIX MONTHS! LOL @ you saying you saw Diiv when they came up like they put in enough work to "come up". I'm not a jealous loser, but you sure are a hurt bitch Diiv superfan. What? You the head of their "street team" or something? This band is not popular, it's artificially popular. It's crap but good enough to pass as good by ears with no taste in music known as hipster ears e.g. your ears. I've never been in a band, but you can think I have if it makes you feel better Sweetums.

By your logic a band who doesn't put in work like release at least one record and book at least one tour themselves should get big? You're a fucking idiot. Red Hot Chili Peppers formed in 1981 and had to put in a decade of work before they hit it big time in 1991 when "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" came out.

Diiv didn't come out of any gate strong, they've been propped up and pay to play since day one.

10:26pm Godspeed has actually put in work and don't pay to play onto shows like Diiv and Parquet Courts do via Ground Control Touring.

Hey Devin bullfuckingshit Diiv played three shows a day three days a week. You had a residency a la The Doors where to play three sets a day? You had that much material? A venue actually stomached your music three times a night? Bullshit.

You haven't "worked (your) asses off", you formed in 2011 so you've been around for only two years. You've never put out your own records, you've had Captured Tracks put them out. You've never went on a tour you've booked yourselves. You've never even played self-booked shows in NJ, LI, CT, or NYS.

I'm not a "hater", your shitty propped up who we know and blow band isn't worth my hate. If what I say is bullshit, why come back at me again and again to defend yourselves? You've played "tons of free DIY shows and pool parties/basements" where? So general, so vague, so full of shit.

Posted by D | November 12, 2013 11:55 PM

if a band puts out their own records, and books their own tours, it probably means they are not good enough to get the attention of a booking agent and a record label. these things are both completely standard requisites for any band who ever wants to get a show or sell a record outside of NYC. your standards for "hard work" are completely retarded. DIIV has toured all over the world. that is hard work. and it wouldn't be possible without a booking agent and a record label. you are dumb.

Posted by this D | November 13, 2013 12:48 AM

fuckin d

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 1:23 AM

My ip address has been blocked from Brooklyn Vegan since September for posting about how the old format sucks. But, its good to see that D is still being an idiot, and that the guy from DIIV is still posting on here too. Gotta love the internet.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 1:25 AM

big tiiiiiime

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 2:26 AM

D, you are a grown man who picks fights with strangers on the internet.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 2:33 AM

Shit, D, I feel like I'm talking to a third grader.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 3:58 AM

1:25pm is an idiot for caring so much about me he feels the need to call me an idiot at 1:25am. Unemployed huh?

2:33pm Who are you to talk, Anonymouse?

3:58pm Stop hanging around gradeschools you pervert.

I love how Diiv is constantly defending themselves against me. Truth hurts, huh?

Diiv has never put out their own release or booked their own tour. They played maybe five shows before Captured Tracks then Ground Control Touring signed them and propped them up. They're The Boy Band Of Indie Rock.

Posted by D | November 13, 2013 5:53 AM

Can't wait!

So excited! Just two more weeks . . .

Posted by xxX_I_Love_Elsa_Xxx | November 13, 2013 8:04 AM

Show was good last night but vocal mix was bad. Got to meet and talk wit Patti Smith who was hanging out by the right balcony side as you walk in. Guess I cant ask for more however I am dissapointed they didn't play Thorn last night...

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 8:06 AM

D is an aspie furiously stroking his clitdick at all the attention he's getting in this thread

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 8:37 AM

Oh my god are people still complaining about the vocal mix at an mbv? Kill yourself, you fucking idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 10:01 AM

^Still complaining..hey homey..MBV has a million fucking amps on stage. Here is an idea...amplfy the vocals! I think maybe you who was not the show last night is the moron.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 10:44 AM

10:01 you're a waste of space.. disappear you contribute nothing

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 10:57 AM

The vocals are SUPPOSED to be low. It has been this way forever, you dipshits.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 11:01 AM

^not true at APW Vocals were waaay higher...dipshit

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 11:17 AM

Literally no one would be upset if D died. That must make him feel terrible. The reason he says things about people on the internet is because his life is empty and he is unhappy. That also must make him feel terrible. He hates himself and he hates his life that he cannot escape. He has to wake up every day for the rest of his life being an ugly person that is full of hate and lives a solitary existence. Let's all smile and be glad that we aren't D.

Have a good day everyone :)

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 12:17 PM

Son, my boy D got opinions that destroy you like 42 decks... And his unwavering comment stamina is proof he be shooting up on that golden brown colored hummus with uncut Phyto-Nuttients. Don't f*ck with D, or you get the D in the B... Knameen?

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 12:56 PM

12:17pm If I'm all that, you are even more pathetic. So obsessed with me, I love it.

Keep crying about me, Devin, or whoever the hell else in Diiv. Probably one of their friends.

Posted by D | November 13, 2013 4:58 PM

D, when you turn 17 you'll understand.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 6:02 PM

Now I'm under 17? I thought I was 38/41/43/etc. LOL.

Devin/Zach/whoever from Diiv replying to me anonymously haha. Keep crying bitches, that way you'll get in some early practice for the day your major label debut is reported as selling only 100,000 copies if that and you'll be forever supporting Soul Asylum i.e. a band who actually worked their asses off to make it unlike you guys and the like.

Posted by D | November 13, 2013 6:09 PM

It took D 5 hours to think of a comeback to 1217, and all he could come up with was "u r obsessd with me." Sounds like someone had a terrible day.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 6:33 PM

If you think that not posting for 5 hours is a problem, you probably have a problem.... not to defend D - F him, too, I think.

Posted by Anonymous | November 13, 2013 7:07 PM

oh D, you know I would never post anonymously. Is it hard to believe that strangers on the internet think you're a loon as well? It's not even about defending myself or the band, i could give a rat's ass about either of those things. You're just a fucking idiot and I like baiting you into sounding even more like a fool than you already do.

Guys, I bet D is over 300 lbs, is 35+ years old, and has no hair. In fact, i guarantee that.

Did you even go to any of the MBV shows while they were in town, D? Did you spend the money that you WORKED SO HARD for to get tickets to the show?

Posted by Serpent | November 13, 2013 8:57 PM

ever since Johnny 5 left, this band sucks...

Posted by coljad | November 13, 2013 10:50 PM

6:33pm Sounds like you have such an uneventful life you're bent out of shape over me barely giving you the time of day. 'Sad that you live for my replies you asshurt dipshit.

Serpent - I'm not the 35+ year old 300+ you're looking for, sorry. I didn't go see MBV nor did I have to. I could care less about MBV 2013.

Posted by D | November 13, 2013 11:34 PM

Plain White D's yo 2014 worldwide up in dis bich

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 12:54 AM

5:35, Ya I'm still fucking unemployed.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 1:25 AM

D is a fetus.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 2:13 AM

the thrill of (victor) E
and the agony of D fetus

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 4:39 AM

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Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 5:10 AM

Tuesday night that dude from diiv made referance to this shit on here twice.

First he made a lame joke about getting the opening gig by raising $5000 on kickstarter and that his mom paid for most of it. Then he told the story of how he actually got the gig when he got his booking agent to look into getting him free tickets to Fiona Apple. Apparently when his booking agent asked live nation about getting tickets for the dude from diiv they then asked if dive would open for My Bloody Valentine. Wow, aren't you cool. Telling this story to a crowd of people who didn't come to see them just made him come off like an entiltled little prick.

So I guess this D guy really got under his skin.

So next time you go to a show Mr diiv, use that hard earned money you made on Tuesday night to pay for a ticket instead of getting your booking agent to get you on the list.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 9:26 AM

I bet Ground Control Touring paid $5000 for the gig and he was saying he/Diiv raised that via Kickstarter so they could tell a half-truth so as not to feel 100% shameless. No they didn't raise the money via Kickstarter but yes they paid $5000 for the gig.

Did he actually say what you said he said onstage at the MBV show? I bet their booking agent asked about tickets just to mention Diiv and hope Live Nation would ask if Diiv would open (provided they pay.) Live Nation loves to have local openers pay to play as they are the scum of the booking earth along with Bowery Presents.

Diiv pays to play shows via GCT, it's as simple as that. You don't open for My Bloody Valentine, Nine Inch Nails, Blink 182, and other bands of those stature by putting in the very little work Diiv has put in.

- Formed in 2011 yet they already have a Wikipedia page HUH??? I think I might write Wikipedia and ask them to take down the page on the grounds that this band hasn't been around long enough or done enough to get a page.

- Never put out a record or booked a tour themselves.

- Has played maybe five NYC shows before they signed with GCT.

Posted by D | November 14, 2013 10:43 AM

BTW that's some pretty weird shit to say onstage. He obviously did it so people would think no way.

Posted by D | November 14, 2013 10:46 AM

Yeah he said that stuff on Tuesday. Telling a crowd of people who didn't come see you how they got the gig was really lame.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 11:01 AM

^ That's what Diiv is: a bunch of propped up self-entitled spoiled brats who came from nowhere/nothing who have had everything handed to them on a silver platter and I'm gonna love watching them fall inside of two years when they won't be able to jock other bands' followings anymore. You can only be the opener for so long before the machine expects you to be support and a headliner after that.

I see I'm not the only one who is on to their scheme.

Posted by D | November 14, 2013 11:09 AM

When is the dude from Diiv's trial? He seemed awfully cocky for a dude that's looking at some serious jail time.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 11:40 AM

11:09, they have already have fallen. They aren't the talking heads or suicide- DIIV never even had 50 fans.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 1:07 PM

how many decks is $5,000?

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 1:08 PM

1:07pm Actually you're right, this band didn't put in enough work to even have 50 fans before they got propped. I consider all the fans they have to be artificial because no matter how bad or mediocre a band is, the law of averages says if you play high profile shows and appear online enough like Diiv has, you'll have a sizeable fanbase. The masses lap up alot of crap. Also remmeber Facebook has phony fan counts for the right price as don't tell me this band who has barely toured has over 60,000 fans from hitting the road when they barely have hit it.

Posted by D | November 14, 2013 6:41 PM

I wasn't going to weigh in, but the guy really discussed how he got the gig at the gig? Admitted publicly to trying not to pay to see Fiona and Homer-ing his way into the show? That's bad judgment at the least, definitely tacky. Of course, I wasn't there. Maybe it's not as douche-y as it sounds? Anyone else hear it?

Posted by xTAINTx | November 14, 2013 8:45 PM

8:45, he did the same thing with the Blink 182 show.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 10:27 PM

I like D's 6:41 statistical analysis. It is entirely true and it follows the Central Limit Theorem: i.e. if you promote an average band enough the masses will eat it up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 14, 2013 11:06 PM

If you think Cole says weird stuff on stage, then Mike Bloomfield would have blown your mind.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 2:38 AM

Y'all are f**king crazy. It makes no sense for Ground Control Touring to pay MORE THAN THE GUARANTEE for their bands to play shows. You are insane and utterly clueless about how stuff works.
Some people that comment on these posts are just so self-righteous ... start a successful band and I assure you these so called informed opinions you have will change. Quit harboring resentment about how other people have cooler lives than you and fucking GROW UP.

Posted by Colin Caulfield | November 15, 2013 2:43 AM

^ Oh look, a Ground Control Touring intern.

It makes all the sense in the world for GCT to pay for Diiv to open for Blink 182, Nine Inch Nails, and My Bloody Valentine as that ups their profile and desirability by prospective new clients.

How am I "insane and utterly clueless about how stuff works"?

Start a successful band - huh? Um, a band isn't successful when it starts, it's successful after it starts.

Diiv has a cooler life than me yeah sure ok I've seen Bad Brains before HR quit - that alone makes my life cooler than the entire band's life.

Posted by D | November 15, 2013 5:40 AM

sponsored festivals and concerts are things nobody expects to make money off of through sales, it's all for promotion.
How much would a band like DIIV have to pay for a noon hour spot on the Ozzfest tour?
The mystery of it all is not how music and parties can help advertise goods and services, but why a band that has no recognition would think that the promotion can work the other way around.
Has there ever been someone who was into Jansport backpacks that said, "now that they booked DIIV, I want to buy their tracks on line."? Has anyone ever thought, "The Scion automobiles are quality, there fore all the metal bands they book must also have high quality"

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 6:35 AM

November 14th 2013 5:10 AM: DIIV is the Michael Dukakis riding a tank for a photo op of music

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 6:37 AM

I have to admit, however, that there are bands all over that get asked first for local opening spots for high profile tours. These bands are most often very competent players with a loyal following, experience, good gear, and great connections. After Cole made the news, nobody would want him opening for them because of his connections, local following, experience, equipment, personality, or willingness to do whatever is asked of him, outside of getting someone else to write a big check.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 6:44 AM

I also have to chuckle because of how some superfan describes DIIV as having a cool life. Did Curt Cobain feel cool up on a big stage, looking down at a sea of jocks that knew all his songs? He did not feel cool for that at all. He just wanted to go do his dope in privacy, and maybe play for an audience he approved of. That's not a cool life. It's easy to find an attractive looking crazy woman to have your kid and put your outtakes into her repertoire. A cool life is when a beautiful, wealthy woman funds my fun.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 6:50 AM

^ So why did Curt play on big stages if he didn't want to?

He loved the fame and fortune or he would've bowed out after Nevermind. He forfeited privacy when Nirvana broke big.

Who was he to "approve" of any audience? What, he was some king and his fans were peons or something? No. The guy wanted to make it big like any other band guy.

This myth about Cobain being some anti-authoritarian/fame/fortune rebel is really too much.

Posted by D | November 15, 2013 7:40 AM

People don't pay to play in the indie rock world
That shit is for shitty LA bands back in the 80's or 90s or crappy pretty boy emo bands in Pennsylvania. Yeah and maybe on shitty metal festivals like Ozzfest, etc which D seems to pay a lot more attention to then the rest of us..
Headlining bands and or promoters ask bands to open & yes booking agents can submit bands to open hoping they get chosen but there is no paying to play period.. its the opposite of how things work especially with booking agencies.. D can spout all he wants to but his lack of knowledge in this area is embarrassing.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 11:26 AM

Devin from Diiv here. I like to eat yams, and they're healthy. That is all.

Posted by Serpent | November 15, 2013 12:09 PM

Yo D, suck a raw doberman's dick

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Posted by D | November 15, 2013 12:33 PM

is there a google translate for this ?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 12:53 PM

Is D writing lyrics for japanese hardcore bands now?

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Baller Arcade

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Posted by D | November 15, 2013 5:21 PM

^Ok - joke was good once or twice. Now it's lame.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 8:14 PM

^ Tell me about it. This is the guy who lied to me about how he got into hardcore in 1990 when he really got into it in the mid-90s or later.

Wow four words to the guy who is reposting my posts as translation from English to some other language back to English:

Get a fucking life.

11:@6pm Deny it all you want bands pay to play via their booking agencies.

Posted by D | November 15, 2013 9:11 PM

True. Next time someone at the door asks you 'who are you here to see' don't be dumb emough not to know why.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 10:48 PM

Just like the book of Job in the bible when Elihu gets his ass told by Jesus.
If they can pay street teams to comment here then they can pay for an opening gig.
the "nobody pays to play except for hair bands" is total B.S., so when they have painted themselves into a corner with denial, a venue operator will step up and say, "of course bands pay to play, it's their gift to the audience, because our overhead is so high here in NYC." Shame on you for figuring out the truth.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 11:09 PM

what is diiv's guarantee by the way? do they have a number of people in their audience they tell the promoter to expect, so they know how to budget?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2013 11:13 PM

What I love about me saying Diiv pays to play is Devin from Diiv goes out of his way to come on here and play dumb about pay to play which is alive and well in cities all over the U.S. including New York. "I never even heard of that" PSSSHHHH!!! Liar.

Let's say Live Nation books Helmet into Gramercy Theater. What incentive do they have to put an unsigned local band on the show? You might say it's to give that band a break, but Live Nation doesn't give unsigned bands breaks.

If the opener doesn't directly pay money to play, they pay to play in two ways:

1. Their booking agency pays (as in the case of Diiv.)

2. They sell tickets where they pay for the remaining unsold tickets to reach the quota they must meet in order to play the show.

One could argue playing for nothing is paying to play in that you are taking a slot from a band who would be paid like a band with a following. The promoter makes 100% profit off of your sucker band. Also you are paying costs to play the show you will not receive a penny back from.

Posted by D | November 16, 2013 5:33 AM

yes, D, there's the "you have to sell (buy) a hundred tickets to prove that you are worthy of being on this bill" common in many places, especially festivals. If you have management taking care of that, you could be left unaware, despite the manager handing you a bunch of tickets to give out, instead of having a guest list.
At least metal bands have been honest about this forever. At best, it is respect for the costs of booking a venue and promotions. At worst, it is used exactly as you described, to shut out a more popular act.
I can't blame the musicians for being ignorant about this, there's a big gap between basement shows and dives that might have live music, but need to sell drinks to get by.
In smaller towns, really shitty bands can play bar owners off against one another; they will try to outbid one another on the chance that people will come out to hear the band. These are shows that aren't worth booking or playing without having an audience first- even if the money is good for one night, that's all you're gonna get once you empty the place before you've finished your first song.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2013 7:30 AM

I'll try and explain it from a manager / booking agent's perspective. Some new band might have potential, and they don't do their own legwork. So you get some percentage to prop them up with gear and connections. You want them to get big fast, so that you get your percentage of a big fortune, not peanuts. Whatever it costs, you pay first, to justify asking for a high guarantee in the future. There might even be a back end, after all, that is big enough to reimburse the tickets you bought. That would never be guaranteed to you by a promoter or venue operator who has more to lose.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2013 7:44 AM

I'll be damned if all these comments here aren't boring as fuck

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2013 11:05 AM

I like little boys.

Posted by D | November 16, 2013 5:57 PM

thus your fascination with DIIV

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2013 2:24 AM

^ Wishful thinking on your part you sicko.

It's pretty sad and pathetic that you've made the last two posts almost 8.5 hours apart, but then again, it's par for the course for someone with no girlfriend or even friends period like you.

Posted by D | November 17, 2013 2:46 AM

that wasn't me being fake you, are you paranoid or high on crack or both?

Posted by 2:24 | November 17, 2013 3:19 AM

Yeah it was you being fake me, are you a no-life bitch obsessing over me so much he is posting as me (and doing a pretty pathetic job of it) 5:57pm yesterday, 2:24am and 3:19am today? Yep.

Posted by D | November 17, 2013 1:06 PM

D...hate to come down on a total stranger, but since that seems to be the trend here, it is that very mentality that keeps good indie bands from being able to achieve greater breakout success. It is the reason why Nickelback is the model for popular rock acts as opposed to bands under indie labels. You are simply equating street cred, obscurity, money, and indie hierarchy to what makes good music. Instead of focusing on the aesthetics of well written music itself, you are judging purely on financial technicalities and promotional agendas. The indie community needs to stop caring so much about HOW a band gets famous and trying to drag them by the ankles back into unacknowledged obscurity making it impossible for bands to be accessible to larger audiences. And even if you don't think DIIV writes good music, the fact that a young band like that can achieve so much success and be brought up through the ranks that quickly is promising headway for other bands, maybe even bands you like to do the same. That business model will open up possibilities for everyone and not just bands like DIIV. In other words, taking the stance that a band isn't worthy of success or greater opportunities because they are elitist in terms of monetary backings is elitist itself.

Posted by Brad | November 17, 2013 5:36 PM

Yo, Brad, no worries. I get laughed at, mocked, ridiculed, insulted, spit at, dumped on and bitchslapped everyday on BV. I know I'm just a bitchass, no life, hardcore freak. I'm one dumb motherfucker.

Posted by D | November 17, 2013 9:37 PM

^ True no life bitchass posing as me.

Posted by D | November 18, 2013 12:42 AM

5:36pm is a Diiv apologist.

Posted by D | November 18, 2013 12:46 AM

Stop defending DIIV. They suck. No one cares.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2013 7:20 AM

There are tons of bands who appeal to fans of both MBV and Blink-182. It totally makes sense.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2013 7:50 AM

^ Shut up you Diiv defending nerd.

Posted by D | November 18, 2013 10:17 AM

D - that was sarcasm.

Posted by 7:50 | November 18, 2013 3:10 PM

^ Oh ok. Glad to see someone else isn't buying into Diiv's pay to play bullshit.

Posted by D | November 18, 2013 6:54 PM

You guys are burying the headline. Who cares if Diiv paid to play that show or not...the bottom line is that they sucked that night. They were missing their other main guitarist and never should have played a show that big without him. The band had absolutely no energy. I never realized how integral all that jumping around is to their live show but without it, these guys are just another bunch of poorly dressed mopes. And oh yeah...Cole really did say that "pay to play/Fiona Apple" shit on stage, obviously as a direct reaction to this thread. Looks like, right or wrong, D had a ripple effect.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2013 8:06 PM

Hahahaha I LOVE it. I got to Diiv. Why? Cuz I'm speaking the truth? Yep.

If I'm full of shit, wrong, whatever, why make a joke about it? To soften the blow?

Again how the fuck does Diiv, a band who formed in 2011 who has never put out a record or booked a tour themselves and has played MAYBE five NYC shows before being signed to Captured Tracks and Ground Control Touring get to open shows for My Bloody Valentine, Nine Inch Nails, and Blink 182 plus play major music festivals and have a Wikipedia page? THEY PAY FOR IT via their record label and booking agency.

Posted by D | November 18, 2013 8:43 PM


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