Posted in music | venues on January 16, 2014

Brooklyn Classic

The Daily News seems to think so:

One of the partners behind the Bowery Ballroom, Terminal 5 and a string of popular music venues plans to open a massive 2,000-capacity venue in Brooklyn's hipster haven.

The gigantic live music space would open as Brooklyn Classic, taking over a red brick factory building currently home to a steel fabricator at 319 Frost St., according a liquor license application to the local community board.

The application from Frobo LLC ties back to Jim Glancy, a veteran of promotional giant Live Nation and partner in The Bowery Presents, a powerhouse in the indie music scene.

If this happens, that would give Bowery Presents Mercury Lounge---> Bowery Ballroom--->Webster Hall (sort of)--->Terminal 5 in Manhattan, and Rough Trade-->Music Hall of Williamsburg--->Brooklyn Classic in North Brooklyn.

(thanks Hiro for the link!)

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Comments (125)

Ohh will be a great sounding venue in a crick building I hope!

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:35 AM

^Brick I mean

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:35 AM

depressing

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:36 AM

Hopefully this takes some shows away from T5 but I somehow doubt it. More likely, it will be one night at T5, one night at this place instead of bands that can fill two nights at T5.

I bet a marquee "Brooklyn" act like National does the opening night.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:36 AM

It's already better than Terminal 5, amirite?????

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:38 AM

I'm sure the people of the government housing project on that same block will have a field day with drunk hipsters stumbling around after shows.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:39 AM

2000 people? Ewww. Why even bother going?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:39 AM

crick building, indeed

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:39 AM

And Bowery Presents empire spreads...

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:41 AM

i think live music in nyc is already suffering from what i've been calling the "barclay's bump" -- lots of formerly terminal 5-level bands have bumped up to barclay's, and bands that really still seem bowery ballroom/music hall of wburg-level to me are now playing t5 (darkside?!), a venue i avoid as much as i can. and this means ticket prices have gone up as well. maybe "brooklyn classic" will be less poorly laid-out/shitty sounding/corporate-feeling/generally unpleasant than t5, but it seems like this could contribute to that phenomenon, and some of the intimacy of a slightly smaller venue like music hall will be sacrificed.

i sympathize with the fact that bands now make most of their income from touring, so larger venues/higher ticket prices are a necessity, but it's still been kind of a bummer to skip shows i would've otherwise gone to because of the venue.

Posted by toren | January 16, 2014 10:45 AM

CLASSIC

B)

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:47 AM

Has to be better than T5

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:48 AM

forget about Brooklyn, how about booking some decent acts for The Space is Westbury that opened last year. we have enough venues that play "old fart" music

Posted by me | January 16, 2014 10:51 AM

10:39 Cooper Houses are soft as fuck. That's the only reason hipster are safe living near it.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:51 AM

More importantly, will it have a brightly-lit record store in the lobby?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:52 AM

this location is as "out of the way" as T5 is, good to know they're keeping it consistent.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:55 AM

Nice! I like that neighborhood. I'll hit up Xi'an Famous Foods beforehand.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:56 AM

I would like to see them do something like this in NJ for a change. Since Live Nation took over Wellmont and the closing of Maxwells we are suffering across the Hudson :(

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:59 AM

^everyone knows that T5 is 95% NJ people anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:00 AM

The ladder 2 Bowery Venues have been disasters... looks like they're going for a hat trick!

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:00 AM

The shitty location reminds me of Studio B. We know how that went.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:00 AM

"East Williamsburg"

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:02 AM

Terrible name. Just terrible.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:02 AM

I like the location. None of the lawyers and investment bankers and foreign trust funders that have contaminated the north side.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:05 AM

Moving to NYC in 3 months. Where will I find more hipster chicks? Williamsburg, East Williamsburg or Bushwick?!

Posted by California hipster | January 16, 2014 11:05 AM

What happened to "The Well". I know it's not Bowery presents but same size/area

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:05 AM

Too bad they couldn't replicate a union transfer, 1000 person slightly larger venue with decent sound. This looks like it will be a cluster fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:07 AM

Oh for fuck's sake.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:10 AM

I do not know why they consider this Williamsburg? If anything it's closer to Greenpoint/Bushwick

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:11 AM

10:59 Jersey doesn't deserve any venues. the whole state should be razed to the ground. get the hell out of here with that shit

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:16 AM

Looks good. Very hummus friendly locale.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:17 AM

Let's all just stop with the excessive influx of adding venues in scarf towns everywhere already.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:18 AM

This seems cool. No one wants to go to T5.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:23 AM

"10:59 Jersey doesn't deserve any venues. the whole state should be razed to the ground. get the hell out of here with that shit"

funny that is how I feel about the 5 boroughs. just demo that shithole already or at least blow up the bridges and tunnels.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:25 AM

Yeah no New Yorkers post on "Jersey Vegan" or any Jersey blogs, so hate on the city all you want, you are still its bitch, NYC runs the culture, so again, get the hell out of here with that shit

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:28 AM

great. another flat-surfaced, low-ceiling, wide space with columns/pillars in the middle. with a bit of luck, this might just have worse sightlines than T5.

Have people completely forgot how to build performance venues in this country? All the good venues are theaters built 100 years ago.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:28 AM

I think the people of Staten Island deserve a live music venue.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:31 AM

Is Williamsburg still a "hipster haven"?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:32 AM

11:28 The theaters that were being built a 100+ years ago for one served a need that technology has largely reduced. Also they were built for adults w/ money. The economy of indie rock isn't going to afford a theater, it afford a re-purposed industrial space.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:34 AM

11:05, I think Bushwick. All the baristas at my favorite coffee shop seem to live there. But I don't know, I'm one of those corporate lawyers the other 11:05 appears to dislike.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:34 AM

Wouldnt call this east williamsburg. Really technically greenpoint.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:35 AM

10:39 Cooper Houses are soft as fuck. That's the only reason hipster are safe living near it.


Bullshit they are. Lived on that block for 3 years, saw some serious shit go down. They still haven't caught the serial rapist that prowls that area either.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:36 AM

It's 11211. It's E. Williamsburg. Greenpoint ends a few blocks over.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:38 AM

11:36 is full of it. I'm in that area every day. They're a are tons of little hipster girls all around.

'Serious shit' lol, you must be from Wisconsin.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:39 AM

is Brooklyn still hip or should I move to Hoboken?

Posted by delaware diiver | January 16, 2014 11:41 AM

Didn't a bunch of niggas get shot up on Frost St. several months ago?

Some good quality dope on that block.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:42 AM

11:34 #2 make your money playboy. But don't kid yourself; you're a corporate lawyer, you're not hip.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:42 AM

they should build multiple stages and pull the Arcade Fire "stage switch" trick during each performance!!! Two is a good start, but 5-10 stages would be even more fun!

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:43 AM

"NYC runs the culture"

I wouldn't brag about that. Have you taken a close look at that "culture" lately. Hopefully the Pazz and Jop poll isn't any real indication.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:45 AM

11:42 #1 is weighing in from Sioux City. It's an IBZ zone. There is no dope dealing. No one got shot.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:47 AM

That's a gawd awful location transportation-wise. This is why, except for the big stuff at Barclays (which is easy), I opt for Manhattan if somebody is doing shows in both boroughs - and I live in Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:50 AM

^thanks for sharing, fascinating stuff.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:54 AM

Wow, less than a year ago there would be at least 6 posts defending Bowery. I guess their PR team really let things slide.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:59 AM

This venue will make T5 look easy to get to. Poor transportation options, what a failure. In the middle of the ghetto is fine for a tiny venue, not one with 2K capacity.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 11:59 AM

11:31
What's up with the St. George Theater? That place is sweet. Saw NRBQ/George Thorogood there on a snowy Thanksgiving weekend in 1982.
I can get behind Toren's Barclays bump theory. I thought a lot of bands were stepping up to 18,000-20,000 arenas that don't belong there and I look at the schedule for other venues like T5 and BBallroom and I've never even heard of a lot of the acts. I thought I was just getting old (I am--see 1983 reference above)but a lot of those acts probably belong at Mercury Lounge and LPR and the like.

Posted by Smack | January 16, 2014 12:01 PM

Decent live music in NJ is really hurting right now. Jersey City needs something that is accessible to music fans on both sides of the Hudson River.

Posted by Molly the Dog | January 16, 2014 12:02 PM

11:47 is a hick from Indiana pretending to know what's up in Brooklyn.

http://spotcrime.com/crime/10749879-0af2468326c92d32d911ce34ebe98657

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:05 PM

Bowery's gotta step up their game and remember what it is like to be a fan. They've run Mercury and their namesake venue well for decades, but the newer venues (T5, I'm looking at you), have been less than ideal for music fans.

Prices keep rising, service keeps dropping. Bowery used to be a beacon in an environment filled with scumbag promoters and LiveNation/AEG owned venues. It's starting to look like the new boss is just like the old boss. Just don't go public, ok?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:24 PM

there's an assisted living facility/halfway house right there where lots of registered sex offenders live. and with all the transportation nearby, this is a great location.

Posted by ian | January 16, 2014 12:25 PM

1141 Brooklyn stopped being hip at least 10 years ago.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:30 PM

11:45 yet here you are, on a NYC blog, talking about NYC scene and a new NYC venue, desperately trying to make it seem like you're OK with the fact that nobody gives a shit about Jersey, that no Jersey bands are relevant until they start playing the city, that your state isn't a hell hole of toxic waste, insecure about the fact that NYC owns it's north half and Philly owns it's southern half, that it has no identity other than being the butt of "armpit of america" and "yeah that smell that you smell as soon as you cross the river" jokes... so GTFO

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:36 PM

12:05 I never said no one got shot there ever! You said several months ago, that was several years ago.

I walk on that block EVERY day. It is not ghetto, it's industrial. It's a place one would go to scrap metal, not to buy dope.

Also, you're obviously white, 'nigga'.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:36 PM

1224 Step up their game? They seem to be doing quite well. As for this new venue, how about checking the place out first before saying how shitty it is. I do agree with the lousy location but that's the safest place to have a big rock club - away from where people live.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:37 PM

11:31 I second that. Staten Island needs a great venue. St. George Theater is a decent sit down venue from what I've heard, but a GA standing only venue booked by Bowery Presents would be great.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:39 PM

@11:31 et al., the Snug Harbor Music Hall is a really beautiful venue. Not GA so no mosh--problem?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:49 PM

Whiter Eagle Hall will be opening as a music venue in Jersey City later this year with Todd Abramson of Maxwells booking.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:49 PM

can;t wait to check out this venue and post a review of it on my blog, check it out url above

Posted by tonty | January 16, 2014 12:50 PM

I don't get the hate on the locale. What's it a 15-20 minute walk from the Graham L? Personally I'd much rather hang out in that hood than with Snookie and The Situation on N. 6th.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:51 PM

Yes, warehouses were made for redundant music venues, not trivial things like steel fabrication. Good riddance to industry! Fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:52 PM

^good point. Serious question. I'm pretty sure this is in an IBZ zone. How are they legally allowed to do this?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:55 PM

I second 11:05. Wtf happened to 'The Well'? With all the promotion etc. and nothing came out of it? Did Bowery sabotage it?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:55 PM

God the comments on here are fucking hilarious

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 12:59 PM

Whiter Eagle Hall.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:01 PM

BV has the most fickle audience, ever. You should all deal with real problems everyday, instead of just bitching about some new venue or whatever new music The Pixies release.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:05 PM

@1236

Long Island is the asshole of America. Compared to Long Island NJ is like a cultural oasis.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:05 PM

People representing BK super hard are probably transplants from Jersey living off trust funds. Y'all can't survive on just pouring coffee!

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:07 PM

Thanks, 12.55. Steel fabrication jobs pay a hell of a lot more than that of a bartender. I usually don't comment for various reasons, but I couldn't believe no one felt the need to repeat that part of the write up. Those jobs are the ones people are pining for when they reference the good ole days of the middle class, whether they realize that or not. Once these types of jobs are gone, they do.not. come back, ever. It makes me sick to see this happen, and sick enough to comment on BV when no one else seems to notice or care.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:07 PM

anything to dilute t5

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:08 PM

12:55 #1 IBZ only protects against residential conversion. It wouldn't apply in this situation.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:11 PM

"Steel fabrication jobs pay a hell of a lot more than that of a bartender"

No they don't. A friend of mine own a steel fabrication company. He pays his guys $10/hr.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:14 PM

@12:36

Oh yeah, niggas don't go there to buy dope? 1 block away:

http://nypost.com/2010/11/11/google-street-view-helps-capture-drug-ring-suspects/

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:14 PM

Your friend is a dick.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:16 PM

^ok comrade. I'm sure your spiel sounded good in your head.Don't twist an ankle stepping off your soapbox.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:18 PM

there are still black people in this area? i thought we pushed them all out. ick. shoo, black people. go away.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:20 PM

1:07 the business in this area are almost all small non-union shops. The people who work in them almost certainly make less than any of the bartenders who work in Wburg/Gpoint.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:21 PM

Yeah, so I'm not talking about some "friend". I AM a fucking metalworker, commenting on something I know. Non-union skilled fabrication work typically pays $20 or so, after you prove you aren't an idiot that'll loose his arm the first day. Your friend is a dick, and now I feel sure I can identify you as a dick as well.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:22 PM

^dude $20 hr is like 45k a year. Bartenders make more than that.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:24 PM

1:22 my friend is in Philly not Brooklyn, so maybe that's why it's less?

But like dude above me said. $20 hr is EASY to make in retail/service industry jobs in Manhattan/N. Brooklyn. This is no great blow to the middle class.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:26 PM

haha people still work in Brooklyn? that's funny. i've lived here for 8 years and never worked a day.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:28 PM

lol, I know dudes on parole who make more than $20hr.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:30 PM

1:20 I would agree with you, but then who would I get my weed from?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:30 PM

haha I bet 1:30 parole dude has to hold the pocket.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:34 PM

O nos 1:22 called me a dick. The guy who has the same job as illegals and ex-cons doesn't like me :(

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:34 PM

illegals are gross, too. mexicans and latinos, I mean. i hope they don't come to brooklyn and ruin it, especially after we spent all that time getting rid of the blacks.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:36 PM

asians are cool though

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:37 PM

Chinx in Brooklyn are lucky if they make 5 bucks an hour doing metal work.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:37 PM

why don't they just call this place Roseland?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:37 PM

Well, I had made a decent closing comment to this, but it's in moderation. Apparently racist garbage gets processed first. Hopefully it shows up later. What a shame, BV.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:40 PM

10:51 need to come talk that shit at Cooper and see what it is we'll stick a guitar up yo ass goofy ass white pussy

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:41 PM

10:51 is right. Cooper is one of the calmest projects I've ever seen. It's easy to forget it's even there. There are 1 million+ houses a block from there.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:46 PM

^
you never lived in the projects

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:48 PM

I love all the hipsters calming each other down about the projects. Fucking priceless. Get a gun and some muscles, pussies. Then you don't have to worry.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:49 PM

1:48 no shit. Who do you think I am 1:22?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:51 PM

1:49 is obviously hard body. Thanks for coming on BV and schooling us.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:52 PM

"10:51 need to come talk that shit at Cooper and see what it is we'll stick a guitar up yo ass goofy ass white pussy"

^ Nigs being nigs. Either that or the hick from Indiana posting comments again.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 1:58 PM

This is terrible. Bands that would play 2 nights in Bowery Ballroom and/or Music Hall of Williamsburg will now play 1 night here. This will be very bad.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:00 PM

I forgot to add Webster hall too

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:01 PM

2000 people at 40 a ticket is an 80K gross, right? Imagine the cost of venue rental at MSG or Barclay's, plus other costs, and you go and figure out why if you're paying a band 50K say...which is about what a band 10 years ago you'd pay half that...to make money....imagine why they need another venue?

It's you sheep riving up ticket prices. So, that's why the "Demand" outstrips the total gross for Merc, Bowery, and the ECONOMICS chase you to a larger venue NOT owned by LN to make it work.

In the mean time, Bowery has relatiohsips w/ bands all the way "up" and wants to keep them in their venues...ergo, they need a Brooklyn based venue to put the people in there, or the demand, to cover the costs of the band, and max the gross. Free money, right?

Capiche? You doing a fixed cost of a new Beacon Theatre in Brooklyn, or are you gutting a cheap warehouse? You do that math.

Jesus, sometimes you guys need to slow down and think. Sheesh.

Signed, maybe smarmy but at least know how it workies

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:09 PM

2:09 is the Wolf of Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:12 PM

Feel bad for any bands that aren't in the Bowery Presents club. These guys have an Empire like monopoly on NYC. Loco.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:27 PM

2:09 is Todd P.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 2:46 PM

Newark is the new East Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 3:21 PM

2:09 is right. With all that gross, they still don't invest any money in building/altering the venue with proper sight lines, ceiling heights, balconies, removing obstructions etc.

I'm 6'3'' so I don't really care, but I'm concerned for you little people (i.e. under 6-feet, which seem to be 90% of the audience these days)

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 3:31 PM

209 sounds like an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 4:06 PM

apparently 10:39b only likes trust fund bands or basement shows where their friends play for beer.

Something to which all musicians truly aspire.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 4:15 PM

we need a new 285 kent

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 5:11 PM

511 Another sausagefest club? Why?

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 5:20 PM

wow i'm outta pocket one day and all you poofs can't even get a fight right.

look the only people that will go to that crick dump are W'burg hipsters. ain't no normal person gonna book passage on some wagon train to venture that far out in the sticks. soooo, it's a great idea. let them book disclosure, amanda palmer and a world of shit acts like that, charge $80-$120 ticket prices and redisribute some more of that midwestern money to NYC. fuck hipsters, fuck 'em.

Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2014 10:57 PM

This isn't even worth commenting on.

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2014 12:09 AM

1057 You'll be there if they book Beiber!

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2014 1:00 AM

^ that's the best you could come up with? beiber? that's not even a good troll. back to remedial joke stool 4 u. and please bring something funny next time?!?!?!?

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2014 6:20 AM

I'm with 10:57. Fuck the hipsters, corral them into some no man's land shithole and charge them an arm and a leg to have an AMAAAAAAZING time.

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2014 9:44 AM

PUMPS!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2014 2:20 PM

you guys HAVE to film feed me when he comes in april! pleeeeease! ;)

Posted by Gody | November 1, 2014 4:13 PM

Music to my ears! :P

Posted by Patrick Sina | November 21, 2014 5:04 AM

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