Posted in music | venues on January 31, 2014

Fucked Up @ 285 Kent's last night (via @thatwhatdo)
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Todd P, 285 Kent's current leasholder, has responded to the flurry of interest in that Craiglist ad for the space that went up yesterday (and was soon flagged for removal):

people seem all up an arms about this, and while this particular ad is not my doing, so what if it had been? The place closed for good reason: it couldn't be made "legal" and people were going to end up in jail if it kept operating, plus would have seen their legal records tarnished against running "legit" spaces in the future... now that's one thing if that happens to me or to Ric Leichtung, but if it happens to the staff that's really not acceptable. But you know what, it's over. It has to become something else now. New York City is expensive for rent, Williamsburg especially, and this space is actually cheap, sadly. But either way, it's not like we can put a exhibition rope around it and preserve it as a museum.

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Comments (87)

it was just a shitty venue anyhow - all things considered. Todd/Ric will do bigger and better things with their time and money.

took me back to my pwac days - and alas, these good things don't last.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:46 AM

Jesus, who cares. It wasn't fucking CBGBs. Get over it.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:46 AM

I half expected his response to be a picture of Goatse.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:49 AM

9:46 - fugazi in 96??

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:56 AM

free sabra hummus in times square

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:57 AM

Should be a permanent home for Occupy Wall Street.


FREE HOUSING FOR ARTISTS !!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:59 AM

if he didnt post the ad why did it link back to his email address

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:08 AM

it didn't link to Todd's address. Ric Leichtung gave the "reporter" Todd's address to ask questions to, and this "news website" posted that response as an "update."

all quotation marks to express sarcasm and disgust with the whole stupid thing

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:11 AM

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Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:18 AM

the craigslist ad had todds email address... artstudiosbrooklyn @ gmail .com. same email he uses to rent out studio space in bushwick: http://www.listwns.com/201312/commercial-office/ny/348269.htm .........

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:20 AM

ski nny je ans pinch my sack

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:24 AM

nah, that's a real estate agent's address.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:25 AM

RIGHT a real estate agent that happens to rent all of todds studios and removed the ad because........... why? people were talking about it on brooklyn vegan............ ? come on

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:30 AM

9:46 I think you're overestimating CBGBs

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:32 AM

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BRITNEY BITCH

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:46 AM

chris ott posted the ad after t.p. hurt his feewings on twatter

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:46 AM

nice. Todd P living in that fluid universe between a liberal arts promoter and a shrewd landlord. It's genius though: buy (or lease long-term) super cheap real-estate in shitty areas around L and J/M stops, do shows, make young kids move into these areas ("live the dream, be an artist in NY"), stop doing shows and start collecting rent. Milton Friedman approved!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:47 AM

bladdybladdybla

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:50 AM

Todd is a just an opportunist, taking an opportunity. it's not a plan leave him alone

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:53 AM

Todd P(eckerhead) just go the fuck away. Your time in our city is done just like the shit hole 285 Kent. Did you ever stop and ask yourself...when did I become such an arrogant dick? I'm guessing not. Well, you're a dick.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:55 AM

>>Jesus, who cares. It wasn't fucking CBGBs. Get over it.

I understand where you're coming from with that comment, but I think it's important to remember that the house of Country, Bluegrass, and Blues was a shithole too. Did you ever see anyone play there? I mean, did you ever visit it before the JV Store, which is probably how you know of it. That place was a fucking dump. What made CBGB great was not the venue; the greatness came from the acts. Suicide, Ramones, Television, Talking Heads, Blondie, Sonic Youth, etc. Those bands have a lasting impact on bands today decades later. Who was playing that venue that you can say that about? I rest my case.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 10:59 AM

Wait, one more thing. I forgot to say that whomever wrote this:

nice. Todd P living in that fluid universe between a liberal arts promoter and a shrewd landlord. It's genius though: buy (or lease long-term) super cheap real-estate in shitty areas around L and J/M stops, do shows, make young kids move into these areas ("live the dream, be an artist in NY"), stop doing shows and start collecting rent. Milton Friedman approved!

#COTD. Yes, yes and yesss.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:00 AM

he just wanted to go out on his own terms guys. $8000 a month

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:01 AM

I take the shit hole comment back. He's still a dick though.

Come to think of it...who is going to be in the annals of music history from 285 that even come close to Suicide, Television, the fucking Ramones, Blondie, TALKING HEADS?

I change my mind. It's a shit hole that produced mediocre shit (bar the rarest exception). Fucked Up is not an exception. There must be 1,000 pics of them on BV.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:05 AM

Todd is getting less credible by the day. People are starting to realize how much money he's making and the people he's exploiting..

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:09 AM

Who exactly is ToddP exploiting?

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:15 AM

10:59, that was exactly my point at 9:46. I've been there several times... seen several hardcore matinees, underplays by bands like Helmet, Living Colour, Black Crowes, B-52s. Patti Smith. So yes, I understand the history, which is why I made the comment.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:16 AM

todd p uses the DIY "brand" to make profit. duh. the story is done, everyone shut up and go home

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:22 AM

Too much drama in the LBC.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:26 AM

fugazi in 96??

HELLS YEA!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:29 AM

"9:46 I think you're overestimating CBGBs"

abc had better shows/talent

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:38 AM

Phish is renting the space for Festival X

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:45 AM

10:59, it may have been dumpy but the space had an energy that you simply can not replicate elsewhere. That energy and vibe is what made CBGB the best rock & punk venue ever.

And honestly, there are WAY worse venue bathrooms in the USA than those of CB's. The only people convinced that they were the worst bathrooms in the world must have never got out of NY to actually see the rest of the world (or even the country).

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 12:26 PM

todd p: the wolf of Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 12:31 PM

Can't wait to see him blow cocaine up that fat fuck from Fucked Ups asshole

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:01 PM

Death by audio is around the corner .

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:06 PM

oh lord, get the fuck over it everybody.

Be fucking happy 285 Kent is over and done before it turned into Disney Land.

Just be happy you pretentious assholes now have something you can say you did and experienced that a younger generation or anybody that moves to Brooklyn from Connecticut or Ohio or Iowa or Road Island will never get to live through.

Before 285 Kent there was silent Barn and Market Hotel and the Yard, which at least were harder to get to.

And before them there were any number of other venues, and before that the Lower East Side was still scary, and on and on and on.

give it 3 months before another venue pops up for a 2 year run before succumbing to some kind of circumstances. All of you assholes will be over and done with getting fucked up till 4 AM and a new generation of kids will be screaming from the rooftops about how their scene is the greatest and purest scene ever. Lamenting the demise of DIY as they wear their converse, ray bans, and smoke their corporate cigarettes.

GET OVER YOUR FUCKING SELVES AND JUST ENJOY WHATEVER MOMENT YOU ARE LIVING IN.

Most importantly don't pretend that you're better or live to some higher ideals than anybody else. You live in America and you live in Brooklyn. There's nothing sacred or holy about this place or the lifestyle that most people who end up there BUY$$ into. There's nothing horrible about that either but just don't fucking kid yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:08 PM

take a chill pill man

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:22 PM

^Well said, Todd.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:23 PM

lol people are upset that Todd P hasn't gone to jail for extorting his patrons.

just move to LA already and let them suffer your used car-salesmen bs dude please.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:23 PM

fake story. no one gives a fuck. "flurry of interest" my ass.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:28 PM

BV must be disappointed that this troll bait post hasn't attracted more comment trash. But BV's numbers are in a steady decline, so its not suprising.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:33 PM

This is so Linsane.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 2:38 PM

Fuck it. I'm moving to Road Island.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:23 PM

the iTodds

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:25 PM

^ THIS

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:26 PM

I think you should first find a dicshunary 3:23

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:32 PM

Ha ha 2:08

WTL,SAFDR

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:33 PM

Bros, bros! Easy bros, listen bros, Brooklyn is over bros. Bros like us are headed to Newark to meet with other bros and rock out to indie rock. OK bros?

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:37 PM

like it or not 2:08 is right

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:40 PM

hey then there's this

.http://mrkunalgupta.com/285kent/

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:46 PM

This is me speaking as Kunal, and not as Babycastles - which is now many people, many who have never been to or even know much of 285 Kent.

285 Kent did exactly what it planned to do, and it makes complete sense that it is closing now, or at least, passing hands.

285 Kent was originally a joint project at least by myself & Syed Salahuddin (loosely as Babycastles independent video games collective), and "Todd Patrick" to make a lot of money over three years by running a popular illegal bar in very favorable conditions: drastic upvaluing of the area, very low rent on a large space, and one more piece that I should be careful not to disclose, but whose timeline is evidently expired one year early. The amount of money we projected to take in was around $300,000, but it could've easily been half a million, I wouldn't know. The idea was Todd's, but he called us in to partner in January 2011, with a tentative loose 50/50 expense and income situation until an ownership changeover in August, at which point we'd been talking 30% us, 40% him, and 30% other investors, in a full on short-term (illegal) "business".

The money was the core mission of the 285 Kent project, and it is important money, which is why we took on the project. $100,000 - $150,000 of money would've largely accelerated Babycastles services in New York, and I'm sure $120K - $200K would've been a meaningful amount to Todd Patrick's services to New York City.

Babycastles was forced to exit conversations about a partnership when sudden maneuvering by our partner [ Todd Patrick ] left us with only a 10% stake in the project, both robbing our initial year of good faith investment and moving almost all of the resulting $300,000+ into Todd Patrick's hands. We never participated in this business, which we don't even know if was ever created.

On one hand, it was a bummer that a last second moment of greed by one party [ Todd Patrick ] obstructed the 285 kent project, because I believe that both projects are actually substantial cornerstones to New York City's independent arts conversation, and if the plan continued, both would have received substantial funding in the intermediate year. I think the initial partnership made sense, at least on paper, so I regret that we never saw it.

As it is, though, Babycastles has had the opportunity to organize instead around long-term sustainable fundraising model, and have opened up a memberships program for our upcoming Babycastles Gallery in Downtown Brooklyn in 2014 here! http://babycastles.com/donate. It's ultimately been refreshing to be have focused our efforts on developing a diversity of community, individual, foundation, government, and other fundraising mechanisms that will build Babycastles future in a much more relevant path in the upcoming years, than to have wrestled for a few years with maximizing a short-term illegal bar that create more legal and social antagonization than the amount of money is worth :) Phew!

Anyway, one thing that's cool about "DIY" is that it proposes culture that expects the audience, artists, writers, staff, and ever more to somewhat equally participate in what the space really becomes and what it stands for - you all pitch in and define what your home is in our square - which is why you get all these wonderful cultural narratives right now about 285Kent in a handful of magazines, even about a pretty short term business compared to handful of more long-standing explicitly cultural institutions like even Market Hotel, Silent Barn, Death By Audio, whatever Trans Pico becomes. That narrative is a nice little collage of what all you decided to make out of what is otherwise a pretty simple piece of profitable real estate.

A dangerous thing about "DIY", though, is that it is easily exploited on the same basis. You want to be careful about that. You want to all think about where the money moves around in the picture, and you want to consider if you as the community at large agree with money. It's a shifty business, so you have to make sure to identify when people in "DIY" new york get caught here and there directly lying about money. It's something we all have to do, as part of building a community participatory world, to make sure that we keep the siphoners out, because it's just so easy for any crafty and machiavellian person to siphon all of the value right out of our hard work. One, that's a direct insult to all of you, but two, they can use that value against you.

Sincerely

- Kunal Gupta

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:46 PM

^ tl;dr also, fucking kill yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:49 PM

all that says is that Todd is/was getting paid (and you know what? he deserves to for all the work he puts into the scene/venues).

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 3:54 PM

^ lol@ white people!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:03 PM

Question for regular BV commenters:

When you rehash old jokes that have been said a million times, do you laugh to yourself and go, "Look how clever I am?" Have you ever considered writing one of your own jokes or do you consider these "classic" BV

Posted by anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:19 PM

jokes "canon."

Also, do you just forget how to act like an adult while on the website or do you just opt not to?

For example, 3:49, did you legitimately think it's acceptable to tell someone to kill him or herself or did you just go, "Well, this has no consequences so I'll do what I want?"

I'm just curious. I'm not judging at all. Just trying to see how you guys work.

Feels like whenever I come on BV, the commenters are comparable if not worse than YouTube commenters.

Thx for your help.

Posted by anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:22 PM

^ take a breath Sally, everything is going to be OK

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:33 PM

todd p is an fbi informant

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:37 PM

Kunal is a spoiled rich kid who comes from a family of con men, swindlers and crooks. His uncle was part of the largest stock swindle in US history and is doing serious federal time.

Its typical then that he viewed 285 as his chance to swindle a few 100K before Todd probably figured out what he was up to.

His "story" is nonsense and is complete fiction. It also makes very little sense and is completely devoid of specifics.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:46 PM

"U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara put the total profits in the scheme at over $60 million, telling a news conference that it was the largest hedge fund insider trading case in United States history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Rajaratnam/Galleon_Group,_Anil_Kumar,_and_Rajat_Gupta_insider_trading_cases

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:53 PM

i heard todd p got a job with goldman sachs.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 4:55 PM

$0.5MM over 3 years split 3 ways? That's actually not good money for the drama, at all.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 5:00 PM

insert "sarcastic comment that will be taken seriously by people, who will then write a 4 paragraph comment saying how BV sucks" here.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 5:00 PM

Todd P for Fed Chairman!!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 5:36 PM

but does sarcastic= funny or better yet, does sarcastic= worthwhile?

#thinkaboutit #foodforthought #not4paragraphs

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 7:41 PM

What the fuck is Babycastles?

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:37 PM

Holy shit is that pic real?

He has risen!

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:39 PM

it's all about Detroit.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 9:42 PM

Nah Detroit whack son
Camden ghetto as fuck

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 11:20 PM

DIY in Camden and Detroit means you don't expect the police to come when called, so you carry a gun, mace, stun gun, knife, zip cuffs, duct tape, and a first aid kit. So if you think that DIY means an illegal venue for shows, you gonna get robbed, along with all the rich kids you tried to impress. paying protection to gangs is not DIY, real niggas handle that shit.

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 12:04 AM

where does that fat fuck find those xxxl basketball shorts?

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 1:15 AM

9:39: Know who won't be rising anytime soon? Ariel Panero.

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 1:51 AM

good point?

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 6:04 AM

12:04 is from Iowa.

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 8:42 AM

The Rhode less traveled.

Posted by Anonymous | February 1, 2014 8:36 PM

i heard that Todd Patrick sold the lease to someone else, who will reopen 285, but still pay up to Todd, basically so that he removes himself from all future legal issues pertaining to the space and still get paid monthly for it, running the place behind the scenes. So, essentially all of these "final" shows, and all of this press, is a big publicity stunt.

Posted by Anonymous | February 2, 2014 4:32 PM

4:32 you heard incorrectly

Posted by Anonymous | February 2, 2014 5:00 PM

I heard Todd P is also part owner of Oasis on Bedford.

Posted by Anonymous | February 2, 2014 5:21 PM

Speaking of Oasis, I heard Liam is buying 285 Kent just to piss Noel off. Live forever.

Posted by Anonymous | February 2, 2014 8:25 PM

Liam Murphy Killed A Man In The Eclectic During The Fall Of 1987

Posted by Anonymous | February 3, 2014 2:39 AM

As a transplant from TX, I mostly associate Todd P with stealing like $200/person from some poor saps during SXSW a few years ago for a supposed Mexico concert bus trip that was canceled last minute due to shitty planning and was a dumb idea in the first place. I guess Brooklyn show promoters don't know much about Mexico travel. Upon moving to Brooklyn, 285 Kent was the venue that showed me that Brooklyn venues would be way shittier than I expected coming from Austin. The sound was terrible. I guess I got all my good show going in down south, much to my surprise.

Posted by L | February 4, 2014 10:21 AM

Todd P is a class A boner. The guy has always been a dickhead, that's a given. Regarding the venue closing, who gives a flying fuck... the place was a dime a dozen and plenty more will open.

Posted by Anonymous | February 6, 2014 8:03 PM

Is there already named Compass? Be way cooler´╗┐

Posted by Wilbanks | February 17, 2014 3:48 AM

anyone know what the song is after todd p says "i'm todd patrick and i uh uh put together rock and roll shows"

Posted by Halcion | November 3, 2014 5:42 PM

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