Posted in music | tour dates on February 14, 2014

by Bill Pearis

Sounds (via Flaming Pablum)
Sounds

Saint Marks between 2nd and 3rd avenues used to be littered with record stores. Not these days, and it's about to lose it's last: The Wall Street Journal reports (via EV Grieve) that Sounds's space at 20 St. Mark's Place is up for rent:

Sounds, the last of once-many record shops on the strip, recently limited its business days to Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, said Felicia De Chabris, an associate broker with Halstead Property. She said Sounds' space went on the rental market this month, with its first showings this week.
Back in the day, Sounds actually had two stores on St. Marks, the skinny one that carried more new, and the big one with used and vinyl. (It's been a while.) As a friend pointed out today, you still find used vinyl in other stores with the big round SOUNDS sticker on it. I will admit I haven't been to the St. Marks store -- which has been basically operating weekends-only for the last year or so -- in ages, but I do have fond memories.

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Comments (322)

Truly an end of an era

But fuck, nothing worse than finding a expensive vintage record with a big old SOUNDS sticker ruining the cover

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:28 PM

The stocked all the Matador and Merge releases in the '90s. Spent so much money there. Cheapest place to buy new indie CDs.

NYC nowadays is a joke. I can't believe all the new transient transplants are paying top dollar to live in a city that is a shell of what it used to be.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:32 PM

The dominos continue to fall... Coney Island High, Freaks, Kim's, Burger King, and now Sounds.

St. Marks RIP

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:34 PM

they havent had vinyl in a while. and it always reeked of cigarettes and bad vibes in there. Im sure st marks will be fine with a new fro yo shop or yoga studio or something.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:34 PM

3:32: Amen brother

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:34 PM

Yeah, I loved going there in the mid-90s and buy new Matador lps for like 7 bux.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:35 PM

Those transient transplants are the very ones that ruined the city and made it the shell it has now become. And they will be the first ones to go to whatever artisanal food and/or drink crap place that replaces this

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:36 PM

When was the Burger King there?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:37 PM

Fuck Cds, Fuck vinyl, materialist objects destroying the environment with toxic plastic.

Record stores are obsolete. The only people who still buy cds or records are douchy record collectors, or nostalgic hipsters who buy Vinyl to impress their ugly friends and fat girls visiting from the midwest for the weekend.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:41 PM

Blame Bloomberg and 9u1l1ani for turning NYC into a rich people's playground. However, people who complain about NYC changing so much don't realize that NYC has always been changing both good and bad. You'll always find someone who says, NYC was better in the 90s or 80s or 70s and so on. It's fine to be nostalgic, but constant rapid change is what makes this city so great. The East Village was "cool" for a very short period of time in comparison to the history of Manhattan. Maybe couple decades depending on who you ask? Plenty of hipsters lament the gentrification of Williamsburg which was "cool" for less than 10 years. NYC moves quickly and if you can't handle it, you should consider living in a city that's moving at a pace you would prefer.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:46 PM

^ obviously the transplant we are referring to.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:47 PM

@3:47, no I've lived in Williamsburg since 2003 and was in Hell's Kitchen since 1994. Nice try.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:51 PM

My parents grew up in NYC in the 60s and moved out in the 70s before I was born and things got bad. They used to say how great the city was back when they were younger and how awful it became when I was a kid. They actually were afraid for me when I moved to Hell's Kitchen in 1994. I left Hell's Kitchen because I couldn't stand what that neighborhood was becoming. I admit I didn't set foot in Williamsburg until 2001, but even in 2003 when I moved there, it was still "cool". By 2008, not so much.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:57 PM

I download my music.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:57 PM

"but constant rapid change is what makes this city so great."

The problem is that the city is changing into the same generic world that is outside of its confines. There is no more uniqueness. What is art used to change in NYC, but now art is disappearing. Rehearsal spaces? Art studios? Gone and gone. It wasn't like this before.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 3:58 PM

LOL @ 3:46, so sociologically and economically uninformed. It is true that people don't like to change though, it's just that those that think they tolerate change get their panties all knotted up when the change is not according to their small worldview (er, like you).

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:00 PM

are you guys really gonna out-nyc each other?

im so old i remember when mondo kims just opened and got my music from kim's underground on bleecker with thurston.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:04 PM

Damn, where are all the industry folks gonna hawk all that promo product now?? (Reason's why shit was cheap..)

Posted by Brownman | February 14, 2014 4:08 PM

@4:04, it's kind of the unfortunate result of things constantly changing. People get emotional and defensive over nostalgia.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:10 PM

It looks like the transplants are learning what the natives learned a long time ago; New York City sucks. It will always be too poor, too rich, too tame, too wild. New York City is for the jaded.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:12 PM

As musch as I used to love this store at this point it's a mercy killing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:13 PM

3:46 hasn't got a clue

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:15 PM

I blame the kids from the flyover states hanging out on St. Mark's and moving to NYC like it's the bee's knees.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:16 PM

The difference now 3:46 is that the previous changes were progress and were the changes of a unique City. The new changes are conforming the city that once was into a bland sterile corporate mirror of the rest of the nation only more expensive. Not progress in my opinion.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:18 PM

^ From someone born and raised in this city, whats changed? The only thing that I notice difference is those towers are gone. NYC has always been a corporate hell hole and if you think else wise, you were sold urban "swap land." Its transplants that are the ones complaining about how things are different after being here for only 10 year.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:22 PM

@4:18. I didn't say this change was good or I'm okay with it. I'm not happy about the 7-11s taking over bodegas. I also wasn't happy about all Starbucks popping up in the 90s or banks in the 2000s. What can we do about it though? Cry on BrooklynVegan?? Not shopping at those places is about all you can do unless you get involved in city government.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:24 PM

And here, I thought this post was just about a record store closing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:26 PM

lol@ nyc natives crying over the city changing. go ahead and fucking kill yourselves, we run this shit now.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:26 PM

It's the wannabe hipster transplants who are sad that the place they lived in when they were 20 something isn't as cool anymore now that they're 30 something. The truth is...they're just getting old.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:28 PM

"From someone born and raised in this city, whats changed?"

How old are you? If you are younger than 30, then you missed out on the good years. If you are over 40 like myself, then you would not be saying such things.

NYC is still the best city in the US, but it is a far cry from what it used to be.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:31 PM

^ NYC always was and always will continue to be a shithole. The only ones saying otherwise are the ones too stupid to realize it or were so stupid that they're just now realizing it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:32 PM

This is like mourning rotary phones. Record stores are completely obsolete.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:40 PM

lol@"if you are over 40 like myself" oh man this is just too sad. some old fucks got nothing better to do than cry on bv on a valentines day friday. lol its called suicide, you fucking fossil. look into it

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:41 PM

@anyone crying on bv should look into it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:43 PM

Poor ol' Die Hipster. All those kids on his grass.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:54 PM

I'm willing to give up Sounds in exchange for not living in fear of getting stabbed on the subway anymore. Seems like a fair trade to me.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 4:59 PM

St. Marks has been dead for a while. Shit really hit the fan when 7-11 showed up.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:26 PM

Storefront retail is becoming obsolete for both independent and many corporate brands. Thanks to technology, there's very little we need to go out and shop for these days. In fact, the concept of going out shopping is a fairly modern idea dating back to the early 20th century. It didn't become the thing to do until the mall culture of the 80s. Now it's all crashing as shopping malls and strip malls across the US are emptying out. Perhaps curbing some consumerism isn't such a bad thing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:32 PM

I remember when they put the Gap in on St. Marks. I knew then that NYC was dead.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:35 PM

5:32 is correct.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:41 PM

7-11 is gone and the shit hit the fan long before they came in. St. Mark's was never 'alive'. It was a shithole during the punk era and continued that way through the 90s. For a brief moment in the early 2000s it was "edgy" yet relatively safe. The transplants who moved in during that time would know any different and only have a snapshot memory of that neighborhood.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:50 PM

Record shops like Kim's, A-One, Turntable Lab, etc are busier now then they have ever been. The record market is blowing up, and sales of vinyl are at an all time high since the 80's.

Places like sounds just didn't stock the right stuff.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:50 PM

^ why do I need a record store when I just order them online?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:53 PM

Most pressing plants (worldwide) cannot even keep up with the demand of producing records quickly enough. The people that think vinyl is for hipsters and record collectors are sadly mistaken.

To quote my man "G-Bone" from Brooklyn, "the weight of my crate smashes your puny MP3 player"

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:55 PM

In response to 5:53's question...
Browsing through shelves of records and being able to check them out is a great way of discovering new music. Plus, shipping costs usually make online shopping more expensive.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 5:57 PM

^^ but why do i need a record store to discover new music when there are sites like last.fm/ bv/ spotify/ bandcamp

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:06 PM

lol at people lamenting this as the final death blow of nyc. i doubt anyone reading this blog besides nyu students lived in the east village for the last 10 years. there's plenty of art happening in nyc and think of them what you want but the highest percentage of bands people want to listen to in the country compared to any other city.

reality is the whole country is being hurt be the recession, rents going up and wages not.. not unique to nyc. visit any other city and it's way more depressing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:08 PM

st marks still has mamouns and 2 bros 99 cent slice pizza. download your music for free.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:27 PM

NYC culture should not defined by shopping. There's a lot more culture that could go into store fronts. Why not create a new type of experience to get people to leave their homes?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:32 PM

In response to 6:06's statement...
Because those websites do not cover all the music out there. In addition, there is so much music released in vinyl that was not released in a digital format, and cannot be found on the internets.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:33 PM

To 6:33.Give it time. The internet we have today is still relatively new for a majority of people in the US. Even today, not everyone has high speed internet to upload big files. I've found quite a lot obscure stuff on youtube. Yeah it doesn't always sound great, but I can still get the idea and enjoy the song well enough. These days, I don't feel the need to own physical music products unless there's a sentimental reason to do so. I'm also not into mp3s taking up space on my hard drive. Streaming is the future of music and in the not too distant future, you'll find those obscure songs and much more than you would in a record store.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:41 PM

@6:33 No offense, but you're a complete fucking retard if you think there's any record store (or group of record stores in a general geographic area) that has anywhere near the amount (or variety) of music something like the Pirate Bay has to offer (for free/for the cost of an internet connection).

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:47 PM

"But what about the human interaction/tapping into the knowledge of the employees?" Truth is, the person selling you the an album (for a low hourly wage) probably won't be too helpful unless you have the same taste as they do. Most likely, they want you to buy something and get out because they're not making any extra money and you're just messing up the racks they spent all day alphabetizing. This is from someone who worked in a record store for 6 years from 1999-2005.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 6:55 PM

lol@5:50/5:55

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2014/01/06/vinyl_lp_sales_hit_22_year_record_in_2013_digital_music_sales_down_chart/1389038470.jpg.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.jpg

^ 165 Million CDs compared to 6 Million LPs sold in 2013. And everyone knows people don't even buy CDs anymore. No one gives a fuck about vinyl except tryhard snowflakes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 7:01 PM

@ 7:01 EXACTLY! Also, 6 Million isn't that much and if you consider all the records that go unsold! Let's say 2% of the US population (300million) each bought one vinyl record, you'd have 6million records sold. However, the actual number of vinyl consumers are well under 1% of the population. Hardly a significant market segment I'd say.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 7:14 PM

Only cheap bastards and OWS cretins start crying when a fucking record store closes (that had more bad attitude than records anyway). People that work for a living, people with a little bit of real disposable income, we know that's what happens to businesses, countries, people, all of us. Just the way it is. So grow the fuck up, dry your pussy eyes, get a job, and join the fucking human race. DAMN!

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 7:22 PM

burger king??

Posted by sean | February 14, 2014 7:48 PM

Can you still get whipits at the corner bodega?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:02 PM

"the actual number of vinyl consumers are well under 1% of the population. Hardly a significant market segment I'd say"

Maybe we should take over Zuccotti Park to protest those 1% vinyl fuckers

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:05 PM

@7:14 and that graph only represents music sales. If there was a percentage on the graph showing the amount of free music being downloaded then music sales would be represented by a relatively miniscule sliver of the pie.

This is the 21st century, fuck stupid plastic disks. There's a reason why people stopped buying them in the first place: they're obsolete.

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29

Lossless FLAC > CDs > Vinyl

Anyone who claims otherwise is a complete fucking idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:11 PM

anyone who thinks playing music digitally is superior to playing vinyl clearly has a small penis.

and the cloud sucks, and artists get money from record sales... yall hackers that download music for free are a bunch of over medicated milennials addicted to smart phones.

keep popping your benzos suckers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:16 PM

I'm only interested in wax cylinders. Fuck vinyl and plastic and digital!

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:20 PM

I just provided a link that specifically addresses why vinyl isn't superior to digital, 8:16. As for the rest of your argument, well...

...it's very possible you might be a moron.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:23 PM

Records last a lifetime... I have LP's from the 60's that still sound great.
CD's are useless, because they scratch and get damaged so easily and MP3's sound shitty.

Vinyl is clearly the superior way to listen to music. Plus the value of vinyl continues to grow, so its almost like an investment. I have sold so many records for hundreds of dollars each.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:27 PM

4:22 how wrong you are. As a lifelong NYKR I can tell you this.... this city was not the corporate mall it is now... far from it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:28 PM

"In a recent study by Columbia University, it has been shown that males who own and play Vinyl generally average a 7.5 inch penis, as compared to the 5 inch of most MP3 enthusiasts"

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:30 PM

4:26: yeah you run this shit now and that;s why it sucks so bad I wouldn't be proud of it. You have to live here too,, in a town that's a ghost of what it used to be. The fun's over and you missed it. Who's cryin now bitch?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:31 PM

"I'm willing to give up Sounds in exchange for not living in fear of getting stabbed on the subway anymore. Seems like a fair trade to me."

You know, there is a lot of stuff in between those two things that we lost in the gentrifying years. It's not quite the fair trade as you say.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:34 PM

How have we survived the past 100 without blacksmiths everywhere when they were such a vital part a part of society for thousands of years?!?

Record stores were a thing from the early 60s to early 2000s or just 40 years. Considering nobody under 30 buys music and most people over 30 stopped buying 10 years ago, I think we'll be okay with whatever happens next.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:35 PM

There is an art to the layout of composing songs in a specific order on an album. It adds to the experience. Todays culture of simply downloading a single and playing it through your macbook speakers is pathetic.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:35 PM

'Record shops like Kim's, A-One, Turntable Lab, etc are busier now then they have ever been. The record market is blowing up, and sales of vinyl are at an all time high since the 80's.
Places like sounds just didn't stock the right stuff.'

um, no it's that they didn't stock the right FORMAT. Vinyl is back, CD is overwith

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:36 PM

@8;27

New Rule #1:

Quit telling me how "warm" vinyl sounds, you stupid hipster dipshit.

I LIVED THROUGH THE 70'S.

I know how vinyl sounds; SCRATCHY.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:37 PM

Nothing worse then going to some "party" and some coked up wanker is blasting MP3's out of their laptop, and constantly switching one song to the next.

The sound of MP3's on laptop speakers makes me often times have the desire to grab a nearby hummus platter and dump it right on their keyboard.

Vinyl is on the comeback in a huge way, and digital files are diminishing... there is a reason that wax LP's have been around for 100 years. Its because they reign supreme.

get with the program, or get the fuck out.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:42 PM

Albums are a new concept too. They weren't a thing until the mid-60s and created to maximize profits of the record industry. I would agree with you about albums as "concept" where all the songs flow like chapters in a novel. However, musicians don't normally write songs as part of a series. Each song should be able to stand on its own merit and not be part of a bigger story. The album is an obsolete form of packaging no more no less.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:43 PM

^ this. albums are over

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:45 PM

Who is buying vinyl? Practically NOBODY. Also, all the new music being released today was recorded digitally and pressed onto vinyl. It ends up sounding shittier than the original so fuck you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:46 PM

8:40, I'm talking about USED Record stores vs USED CD stores. Most or much of Sounds stock was used CD's. Most of the record stores that have opened in the last year have been stocking used vinyl, not CD's.

There is a big collectors market for used records which seems to be growing steadily. There is little to no market for a store selling solely or mostly used compact discs.

There are numerous record fairs all throughout the year, not CD fairs.

When comparing a store like Sounds (one of the only, if not THE only store in NYC selling all CD's and no vinyl, to the half a dozen used record stores which opened in Brooklyn in the last 12 months it's easy to see that Vinyl is back but CD is dead in terms of a collector and/or secondhand marketplace.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:47 PM

yes, if Sounds had switched back to vinyl, they might have still been in business. Good location and history.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:48 PM

@8:47

Oh, so you're moving the goalpost because you were losing the argument. Ok.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:50 PM

the vinyl resurgence is a fad. nothing more

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:53 PM

For every record store that dies in NYC a new one is born and opens in LA.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:53 PM

New Rule #1:
Quit telling me how "warm" vinyl sounds, you stupid hipster dipshit.
I LIVED THROUGH THE 70'S.
I know how vinyl sounds; SCRATCHY.

^ yeah, it sounds scratchy because you didnt keep them in your sleeve you Neanderthal. Are you also the type of guy that has difficulty with folding your clothes too?

my vinyl sounds clean as hell.

And don't be upset about your small penis... plenty of MP3 enthusiasts such as yourself have that ailment.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:55 PM

I think a "fad" would have to include more than a fraction of 1% of the population. It's a small niche at best.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 8:58 PM

I miss all the porn theaters, strip clubs and sex shops in Times Square. They should bring those back! NYC was way cooler then.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:01 PM

lol@ "my vinyl sounds clean as hell"

Highly doubtful. Once again, I'll refer you to this:

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29

The chance that you own even one vinyl record that sounds measurably better than it's digital counterpart is very unlikely. Your rampant hipsterism can't browbeat science, sorry.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:05 PM

In response to 5:57's try-too-hardism, I have edited his statement to make it accurate:

"Browsing through shelves of records and being able to check them out is a great way of discovering neat album artwork."

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:19 PM

In order to get vinyl to sound good at all you will need beaucoup $$$ to invest in boutique high end audio components that would have the same enhancement effect on casette tapes or for that matter CDs.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:23 PM

^ Pretty much. A lot of the shit idiots call vinyl "warmth" can often actually be attributed to what's known as "low frequency rumble". Which is exactly the kind of artifact audiophiles pay big bucks to have eliminated from audio playback.

lol, but please keep believing your cheap vinyl setup sounds superior to general digital playback methods.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:35 PM

Album art is dumb too. What's the point of creating a visual supplement to a purely audio art form other than to sell records?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:37 PM

I remember going to see Public Enemy at a small club show in the early 90s. Because of the stage setup, the S1W's step moves kept skipping T-X's jams, again and again ... which at first was a bummer but them became hystarically funny exactly because it was so clear that vinyl was so dead and a few foot stomps basically bummed out the entire PE posse where white male oppression and crackheads could not.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:45 PM

Cassettes were once billed as the superior alternative to vinyl because of better balance of s/n and dynamic range as well as the portability.

I'll give you a little time to let that one sink in a bit.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 9:49 PM

^ Exactly, it's been an evolution. It's dumbfounding how we now have the best of all worlds (fidelity/portability & essentially free) yet the hipsterati still jockey for social status with what they would have you to believe is their "superior" format. I men, who falls for that kind of shit?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 10:01 PM

^ we are talking about people who dress like 1880s paperboys, think that tUnE-yArDs is high art, and only eat kale grown on a Bushwick rooftop, right?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 10:19 PM

^ Yeah. I love you, Die Hipster.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 10:24 PM

The dunce who keeps railing on and on against vinyl has got to be the same moron who is in every T5 thread saying how the sound there is great.

Has to be


By the way Mr.Dunce, It might behoove you to actually read that link you keep posting. There is nothing exact there either way. Some vinyl pressings sound better than CD's and some don't. It's a case by case basis. These days with the loudness wars going on and cd's being mastered at ear splitting levels, chances are your vinyl on a decent setup is going to sound much more pleasing to your ears.
Not to mention that plenty of artists who care are in fact mastering for vinyl and not just having the digital master cut to it.

You obviously don't give a shit how you listen to music or on what. That's fine. That is your choice. There are plenty of us out there who actually love music and will go the extra mile to find the medium that best suits that specific piece of music.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2014 11:27 PM

Rat Cage Records On East 9 Street Was The Best Might've Been A Third The Size Of Sounds But The Did Stuff For Local Bands Ask The Beastie Boys.

Posted by Renegade Limousine | February 14, 2014 11:50 PM

I can put a whole record store in flac quality on a 2tb hard drive. in the drive fails a have it backed up.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:21 AM

^ This is an amazingly childish reply. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking to say the least.

You don't even seem to be aware that CD's and lossless FLAC aren't the same thing and don't necessarily have the same fidelity. This isn't an argument for CDs. And even if it was:

"Under no legitimate circumstances will the dynamic range of vinyl ever exceed the dynamic range of CD, under any frequency, given the wide performance gap and the physical limitations of vinyl playback"

And

"there is simply no scientific evidence that frequencies beyond the 22 kHz limit of CD audio are audible to any known group of people, or that such frequencies affect anyone's perception of the audible range."

^ lol@ "There is nothing exact there either way". Lossless FLAC often has higher fidelity than a CD too.

This is a discussion about the obsolescence of vinyl. Stating opinion and discussing scientific facts are two different things. The link I keep posting explicitly states that vinyl isn't superior to digital. It states the exact opposite. It would be a rare occurrence for a vinyl record to have superior fidelity to digital. Reading is hard though, right?

So your argument in favor of vinyl is what exactly?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:27 AM

^ This was obviously meant for 11:27. should've refreshed before posting.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:28 AM

^OMG you are an absolute dunce.

from your precious link

"One vinyl record may sound better than its equivalent CD for extremely specific reasons"

You took that to mean rare which is not at all what that statement says. Just specific reasons, such as how the music is recorded, how it is mastered and in what format it is mastered and cut

Hence a case by case basis.

Go away you imbecile. I'd love to get into all the different records that have come out these days where because of these specific reasons, the vinyl actually sounds more pleasing to the ear than the cd, or flac files. Won't bother though because you obviously don't care, you don't know and you have your own ideas about things.

I'll leave you to your Vinyl sucks rant.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:43 AM

I hope they put a Starbucks there, or a cupcake shop. Need more Starbucks and floueless cupcakes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:47 AM

Oh and it is not opinion, precious. When a cd or flac files have a DR range of 12 or 13 as most these days do and the vinyl counterpart has one more along the lines of 7, 8, or 9, it is a much more pleasing listening experience.


Ie, you can crank it up with much less distortion. You ears are not assaulted to where you can't get through an entire album. The music has space and air and separation instead of being compressed to hell and sounding as if all the instruments are slamming into each other.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:48 AM

Oh and also when you were talking about that hogwash about flac lossless files, how bout you go show me wav files of a cd and then the wav files from the flac lossless files of the exact same music that is on the cd

16 bit to 16 bit

Let's see how they are different.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:52 AM

maybe mamouns can start selling vinyl

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:00 AM

Wow, calm down. No need to be upset you were proven wrong. It's not a big deal. Like I said, childish.

"One vinyl record may sound better than its equivalent CD for extremely specific reasons"

This means you might find the record to sound better than its digital counterpart subjectively speaking. Not that the vinyl version is inherently better sounding just because it's vinyl. It doesn't have a higher fidelity. Your subjective preference would have nothing to do with how the music was recorded, how it was mastered and in what format it is mastered and cut UNLESS those things somehow differed between the vinyl and digital versions.

I never said you didn't like vinyl better. Obviously you do, but it has nothing to do with vinyl's fidelity, which is inferior to even the lowly CD.

"Oh and it is not opinion, precious. When a cd or flac files have a DR range of 12 or 13 as most these days do and the vinyl counterpart has one more along the lines of 7, 8, or 9, it is a much more pleasing listening experience."

^ I hate to inform you of this but that's an opinion. The "inadequacies" and differences your talking about have nothing to do with digital or vinyl.

Your statement at 12:52 is also wrong. Digital recording isn't limited to a 16 bit 44.1 kHz sample rate. Hasn't been for years. By extension neither is lossless FLAC. Once again you're woefully uninformed on another subject matter.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:28 AM

jesus christ nerds, no one gives a fuck. Some pissy used CD store went out of business. Get a grip.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:35 AM

When a cd or flac files have a DR range of 12 or 13 as most these days do and the vinyl counterpart has one more along the lines of 7, 8, or 9

no, see

The dynamic range of vinyl, when evaluated as the ratio of a peak sinusoidal amplitude to the peak noise density at that sine wave frequency, is somewhere around 80 dB. Under theoretically ideal conditions, this could perhaps improve to 120 dB. The dynamic range of CDs, when evaluated on a frequency-dependent basis and performed with proper dithering and oversampling, is somewhere around 150 dB. Under no legitimate circumstances will the dynamic range of vinyl ever exceed the dynamic range of CD, under any frequency, given the wide performance gap and the physical limitations of vinyl playback.

you have no idea what you're talking about dude. what the fuck is a DR range? dynamic range range? jesus

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:40 AM

^ I was scratching my head at that too. The dynamic range of vinyl is inferior to even that of a CD. No idea where he came up with those weird random numbers. Just makes him look stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:56 AM

I'm an outsider. I admit that. Never will deny it. But sad that most times I am I the city I can spout out places to go see drink do faster than the ks called "natives" who try to stake claim. I do miss the old NY of pre-Madame Tussaud's and with play land and when you couldn't avoid bearing a pet land discount ad on any radio station. Including the shitty krock. But yeah since 97 the city continued to just drain in on itself. But no other city offers what it offers and no city ever will. The neighborhoods will stay wher they are, it's just the douchebags that will move around.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 3:01 AM

9:45 and 10:19 win the Internets - sorry guys, you'll have to share.

Honorable mention to 1:35.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:18 AM

^ now go score the heavy lowdown comments. I think the one they call "scarf" has swallowed its own tail.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:29 AM

^ ok. you lost in both threads, cO)))ttaging kielbasa. sorry. 1:28 really handed you your ass here though.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:38 AM

You give me too much credit, while attempting to deny me my due. Weakness is obvious to those who are pure in body and mind.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:48 AM

^handed. you. your. ass.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:51 AM

Wow u fucktards are still at this, all night long? really?

time to put the coke away and hit the tick tock for some pancakes

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:13 AM

they can't afford that. they can't even afford new comments, they just keep repeating.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:20 AM

^lol

"they"

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:24 AM

Nobody on coke talks smack about metal (maybe about vinyl), that's just them taking out their frustrations from being sold bath salts for $200 by the dude who is banging their mom.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:24 AM

metal music is for children

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:36 AM

children are under the authority of their parents. Parents didn't stop the metal and neither will you, no matter how many comments you post. you might not like it, but it is here, and there and you are nowhere. so comment away, claim that you "kicked my ass". Nobody has ever gotten their asses kicked by anonymous commenters, and anonymous commenters have never demonstrated the ability to leave stuff they don't like alone or even to just stop it from existing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:39 AM

^ fiesta...

forevah...

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:41 AM

LOL@ "metal music is for children"

As perfectly demonstrated by 7:39.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:45 AM

You are here at 7:00 AM on a Saturday because of your role as a mature adult?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:48 AM

^ It's almost 8:00, idiot. Someone missed their bedtime!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:50 AM

Touche, you finally got one on me. This is how low you have to stoop to be right for once. If you ever do become a parent, you will be jailed for hitting your kids because they will continually have the same effect on you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:52 AM

^ Awww, baby needs a nap!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:53 AM

lower and lower. it's all you have. can't stop now.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:00 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:05 AM

What is this "stop" you speak of?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:06 AM

It's the comments that keep people coming back, who cares about music anymore. I haven't been to a concert since 2009.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:07 AM

^ Mah nigga.


fiesta...

forevah...

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:09 AM

Where can I get some dick pics? I will settle for an ASCII rendering. I can't pay with money, but I will help with repeating troll comments

Posted by A troll who doesn't like anything IRL | February 15, 2014 8:11 AM

^ Seriously, I wouldn't mind some help with this. Would be nice.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:13 AM

Wow, that vinyl sausage scharpling stooge has lost every thread so far! 0-4, that's pretty impressive. He's almost Mets material.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 9:44 AM

^ Poor ol' CO)))ttaging Kielbasa.

;_;

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 9:49 AM

lol, 8:07. me too! who the fuck really wants to go to a concert?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:02 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:09 AM

it's hard to go to a concert in NYC when you live in some backwater fuckhole in some forsaken flyover state

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:27 AM

^ You'd know, I guess.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:37 AM

I like to fart in my hand and then smell that hand

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 11:07 AM

^ Same here.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 11:14 AM

flac level 10

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 11:30 AM

flax seed & oatmeal

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 11:47 AM

If metal is for children, than hip hop is for black people.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:43 PM

This place should have closed a long time ago. You let people behave poorly towards their customers they should be shuttered. So much bad attitude in this place, and yes those stickers ruining every album. Fuck them.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 12:46 PM

So much misinformation here on both sides as is always with the Vinyl Vs Digital argument.

Yes, technically a digital master should always sound closer to the original source than Vinyl. This is very true.

What is also true, and not an opinion, is that there are times when technically the vinyl can and does sound better than the lossless digital format. In this day and age it is not so infrequent or rare as that one vinyl hating guy keeps trying to hound over and over.

With all the trolling here, it is not the forum to get into Mastering techniques, High Frequency cutoffs, Dithering, Heavy Duty compression(loudness Volume wars) etc). There is a lot that happens between the music being recorded and it hitting your hands or computers what have you.

What is great about the times we live in now is that many artists care about each format and are recording, mastering and putting out their music to take advantage of each format.

It is false to say all vinyl cut today is from the same 24bit or even 16 bit digital master used to make the CD or the higher resolution flac files.

All in all it comes down to preference and subjectivity no matter the science. There is no one better than the other. Music and music listening is subjective.


But if you are chiming in to this debate and you listen to most of your music as mp3's on computer speakers or earbuds on your smart phones, well then just fuck off.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:47 PM

Also, DR is the standard abbreviated term for Dynamic Range. The guy above talking about it had it backwards which is a smaller DR range means more heavily compressed and less dynamics. Any DR range over 14 is good and unfortunately most CD's and even 24 bit flac lossless files suffer from smaller DR ranges than that.


Here is a link to give you an idea:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:53 PM

^^^ TL;DR version: The winner in the format war is PLACEBO.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 1:55 PM

I totally can't listen to grimes on anything less than the most uncompressed format.


I actually believe that audiophiles don't like music and only care about graphs and wires.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:06 PM

vinyl is for try hards

grimes is for lovers

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:09 PM

^ridiculous, statement about audiophiles. You want to call us nerds, fine I'll take that. To say audiophiles don't like music or care about it is stupid.

There is a big difference between true audiophiles and just foolish hipsters who claim to love vinyl because it seems cool.

I listen to the same pieces of music I love on different formats because they give me different listening experiences. Oh and because I love music.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:11 PM

CH-CH-CH-CH-CHAANNGGESSSS

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:16 PM

Best thing about vinyl is nowadays I can resell it for whatever I please, and people will buy it. Kind of like guitars were 15-20 years ago (although unlike vinyl guitars never became obsolete)

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:21 PM

For audiophiles

Visualgraphs>Format>wires>dacs>amps>heaphones/speakers>>>>>>>> listening to the actual music

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:29 PM

2:17/2:21/2:22

3 very ignorant people.

Sadly why you can't have any intelligent meaningful discussion on this blog.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:29 PM

@2:29 arguing about plecebo is not intelligent, its autistic

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:33 PM

Hey 2:29(1),

assuming you can afford more, do you only eat fast food? You know because it's just food right? Who cares where you get it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:34 PM

@2:33

That made no sense but have at it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:35 PM

lol at these try hard dorks living in cramped shithole apartments crammed full of musty ass vinyl.

get a better identity assholes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 2:45 PM

^You mean one like yours? An angry loser ranting on a music blog at people who you feel are beneath you but are really miles above and much happier than you

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 3:01 PM

All I need to be happy is a robust hummus platter.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 3:10 PM

3:01 wrote that description while looking into a mirror. People with capital letters after their names call that "projection". It's OK, it's not like you're doing that on a day old thread after all the real arguments have ended.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 3:56 PM

And right on cue, the angry loser.
3:56, you just validated 3:01's statement.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:08 PM

^not only validated it but added being unoriginal to his accomplishments.

The 'ole I know what you are but what am I comeback.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:15 PM

The iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:18 PM

4:08 / 4:15 "they" seem mad

Why are you mad?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:27 PM

^ because it is the angry loser who lost, the whiny bitch who conceded his feckless argument and stormed off. and as predicted in the other thread, after having gotten a little sleep he's back to cry his baby ass off again on cue. like a trained monkey bitch.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:36 PM

Yes, 4:19. Everyone who isn't you is the same person.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:41 PM

^ dumb as fuck right there

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:44 PM

Now here comes the "I know you are but what am I" self righteous retort from Cottaging Kielbassa, with just enough sleep to get riled up again.

Hey CK did you miss us while you were nappy? We missed you honey.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:47 PM

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Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:48 PM

^ dumb as fuck right there

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 4:55 PM

@2:35 the point being that you are arguing about the minuscule differences between formats and equipment which for the most part are only seemingly better; making it a placebo effect. That argument is far from intelligent and the distance you are carrying it is at an autistic level.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:10 PM

^ yeah, an Asperger's even

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:17 PM

Wopner's on in 5 minutes, 5 minutes, 4.9 minutes to Wopner

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:17 PM

@5:!0, you are clearly showing your ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject. They differences at times can be much more than minuscule.

There is nothing placebo about it

Again, that argument of yours makes no sense.

But as always continue on with your buddies in this lame trolling.

Par for the course for this site.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:25 PM

I guess that its considered trolling to people that spent over 3 grand on listening equipment. PLACEBO

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:34 PM

Keep reading this "end of an era" business every time a new place closes it's doors. The reality is, this era has been long dead for a few years now. The East Village / Alphabets are a glossed over safe haven for emotionally dead upper class transplants whom are devoid of personality. Establishments like Sounds have no place in this sterile new world. Their customers are long gone. There is no reason what-so-ever to visit St. Marks. Yeah, it's depressing to see the last few holdouts of old NY fade but this city has been dead for some years now. I don't recognize this city anymore.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:38 PM

^ I bet Its changed a lot since you entered nyu in 2010

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:41 PM

^nigga you just broke and getting old.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 5:42 PM

******CLARIFYING STATEMENT! READ!!!******

Uh oh! 5:25's getin' upset!

Once again I'll clarify:

If the vinyl version of a record sounds better than it's digital counterpart it's because of other factors that have NOTHING to to with the inherent fidelity of the format!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:47 PM

VINYL IS INFERIOR TO DIGITAL IN EVERY REGARD! THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:52 PM

ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE READ THIS FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE SUBJECT: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:52 PM

With all recording/mixing/mastering factors being exactly equal the digital version of a record will ALWAYS be the superior version! THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT!

VINYL IS OBSOLETE. There is NO valid argument in favor of vinyl being a superior audio playback format!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:53 PM

"Uh oh! 5:25's getin' upset!"

Says the guy posting in caps with many exclamation points

Yeah, you are certainly calm and well balanced. Lol

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 6:54 PM

Lol vinyl hater guy is becoming unhinged.

He hates life, himself and the fact that his argument is ridiculous

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:04 PM

Grrrrrrr I hate vinyl Grrrrrr

It is obsolete Grrrrrrrrr

Why won't anyone believe me Grrrrrrrr

Grrrrr why do people still enjoy vinyl Grrrrrrr

I know better than everyone Grrrrrrrrrrr

Such a dimwitted moron.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:09 PM

"With all recording/mixing/mastering factors being exactly equal the digital version of a record will ALWAYS be the superior version! THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT!"


Correct,

Fortunately these days, those factors are many times never equal with a number of added elements and therefore vinyl is far from obsolete.

But i guess if you keep shouting it to the high hills you might make someone believe you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:17 PM

It's a city you fucktards. Businesses close down every day. People die every day. Fuck, forget it's a city even - go walk in the woods ... trees die every day, animals die every day. It's a part of life and you need to stop carrying on like a little child and deal with reality. So a store closed, so what. Grow the fuck up and do something positive for your fellow travelers.

This is not rocket science.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:23 PM

"But i guess if you keep shouting it to the high hills you might make someone believe you."

I hear crazy people on the streets every day screaming about everything from free phones to doo doo. And now I see they have invaded BV.

Nice.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:25 PM

6:54/7:04/7:09/7:17 (all the same guy)

"Fortunately these days, those factors are many times never equal with a number of added elements and therefore vinyl is far from obsolete."

This is called marketing. If there's a difference between the vinyl and digital versions it's because someone somewhere along the line made that choice. In all likelihood it's an effort to dupe gullible snowflakes like you into purchasing the (usually more expensive) vinyl version.

Vinyl as a format is obsolete. Sorry, you've been proven wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:32 PM

^ not to mention that it is made from oil, which can't be good for our shared environment

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:38 PM

^ Indeed, but that's a different debate. Digital audio uses electricity which is rarely clean and is usually stored on products which are environmentally unsound.

I don't know if vinyl is any worse as far as negative environmental impact is concerned.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:49 PM

^ but doesn't vinyl playback also use components that would be just as environmentally unsound? (maybe more so? since you would not listen to vinyl on a smaller device such as an iPhone but rather on a full size amplifier with chokes, transformers, and PCBs). That's not even getting into the diamond styluses, which may or may not be using those sourced from Africa where all sorts of drama surrounds diamonds.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:57 PM

200th!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:58 PM

I don't know, the more I'm thinking about this the more I don't like vinyl for the environmental impacts. Not even mentioning how the oil comes from countries that are violently opposed to the markets where the records would be sold and enjoyed.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 7:59 PM

^ 201, a comment odyssey

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:02 PM

Do you realize how crazy much the environment is impacted by making one iPhone?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:14 PM

can't we just listen to music again, without all the drama about vinyl vs. digital or the environment or whatever?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 8:24 PM

it's hard to steal vinyl from a music store because it is big and bulky. it's hard to steal cds, because they take em out of the case and keep em in the back. but it is easy to steal music on the internet.

Posted by hip ster | February 15, 2014 8:54 PM

@7:57/7:59 most devices used to playback vinyl wouldn't usually be seen as "disposable" like most MP3 players generally are. I don't know which one's worse environmentally: a mountains of vinyl records or mountains of MP3 players.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 9:24 PM

Spotify

Posted by I Steal Music and Laugh.. | February 15, 2014 9:24 PM

Wait, Spotify plays vinyl?

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:13 PM

Best post was a guy saying how old school he was because he moved to Williamsburg in 2003!! The glory days!!! Haha

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 10:53 PM

My favorite post was this one, possibly by the same guy as 2003 W'berg transplant:

"I'm willing to give up Sounds in exchange for not living in fear of getting stabbed on the subway anymore. Seems like a fair trade to me."

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2014 11:37 PM

I miss the days when I could freely tether my horse & carriage along the Bronck's river and enjoy a picnic with m'lady Molly Belle.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 12:28 AM

I miss the days when community policing meant pulled into an ally and beat senselessly while handcuffed.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 12:31 AM

I live on st marks. I wake around noon and do a bong hit, then I go to mamouns and get some hummus for breakfast.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 12:56 AM

^ you live my dream life.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 5:00 AM

Arguing about CD vs Vinyl is like saying organically grown chickpeas have more phytonutrients than commercially grown ones.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 8:57 AM

flac vs shn

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 9:30 AM

^ missed the party, shows up anyway with a 6-pack of PBR

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:37 AM

Wow. Hey vinyl vs CDs vs FLAC people--there's no point in rehashing this argument because none of you will win. If you like the way your records sound, that's great! They sound good on my stereo, but so do CDs and FLAC files. Yay for me. People like vinyl because records have an aura. And nostalgia. None of you should be ashamed that you like records simply because they're records and you FLAC people should understand that, too. Being an audiophile gives you something to yearn for--that last bit of quality, a better sound, a bigger penis (are there any female audiophiles?), that's great too!

To the person way up there claiming that records and CDs are bad for the environment: that may be true, but so are computers, ipads, iphones, etc. Are you sure one is better than the other? Who made your computer? What materials were required? How far did it travel to get to your cave? It's not that simple.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 2:28 PM

I guess everybody's gone. Oh well. I'll shout a little bit into the ether, anyway. I hope all the stores in NYC go out of business. I miss the ice houses. Fuck refrigeration. Fuck vinyl.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 2:35 PM

ha ha ha 2:28 might be the dumbest most self righteous dufus in this entire thread - and that is a pretty high bar! so congrats 2:28 although something tells me you weren't going for irony in your post so I guess the joke is on you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 3:03 PM

3:03, thanks for chiming in so late in the thread - can you elaborate? It's Sunday afternoon, I'm sure you have the time. If you think that the vinyl versus FLAC versus CD argument has *anything* to do with sound quality, you are mistaken.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 3:21 PM

what's gonna happen to those Belle and Sebastian posters in the window?

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 4:20 PM

3:21 marks the return of F5 guy, spending a beautiful Sunday afternoon sitting at a computer screen refreshing, refreshing, refreshing

This poor sap totally misses how the joke is on him!

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 4:40 PM

4:40 - you got me. If you want to know what I'm doing, I will tell you: I am sitting in a coffee shop in Chicago working on a paper I am giving at an academic conference later in the week. On breaks, which occur about every 20-30 minutes, I come back here to read the comments because they amuse me. I am bored and it is something to pass the time. I wish I was outside. I do.

What is *hilarious* about your comment is that by virtue of commenting here, you are no better or worse than me or the 200+ other losers who have bothered to read this thread (in whole or in part) and leave their comment. There is no argument here--the fact that you bothered to come on here to write what you wrote does not mean that you are better or worse than me--we are ALL losers here, my friend. Welcome.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 4:48 PM

^LOL 8 minutes after, and it must have taken you 7 of those 8 minutes to write that TL;DR post. Rolling my eyes at this clowning. Fish in a barrel. Vinyl people are so "sincere" aren't they? Too bad sincere + wrong = wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 4:59 PM

Vinyl : music :: blocks of ice : food preservation

My grandfather would keep calling the refrigerator an "ice box", but try to find any food preservation purists calling it that, or using ice except for picnics and parties where it is never really about the preservation of food anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 5:18 PM

Hey, 4:59 - if it takes you 7 minutes to write two paragraphs and two paragraphs is "TL;DR" then you are certainly retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 5:51 PM

5:18 - Ice is the cleanest, purist form of 'cold' known to man, valued for it's 'warmth' (I know, a tricky metaphor when we're talking about refrigerants). Anything else is just a facsimile.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 5:53 PM

i like to put in ear plugs and listen to silence

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 5:58 PM

Actually 5:53 the purest form of cold is attenuation of incident EMR from the Sun. Ice is merely an artifact of that.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 7:08 PM

5:51 seems a little slow, or maybe just mad.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 7:18 PM

***FINAL COMMENT***

Record stores are obsolete. You may enjoy the fun nostalgia of pretending that you live in the 1970s and putting on a vinyl record to impress fat chicks, but it's just decadence. And vinyl doesn't last forever—the grooves wear down. Most of the records from the 70s were created with thin bottom grade vinyl because of the oil embargo, so a digital remaster is far superior to that.

***THIS HAS BEEN THE FINAL DEFINITIVE COMMENT. THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED***


*anyone who posts after this comment is a feces-chewing moron.

Posted by ***OFFICIAL*** | February 16, 2014 9:27 PM

^ Ok, just one more.

@2:28 lol@ "People like vinyl because records have an aura."

No, snowflake, they don't. But thank you for perfectly illustrating the irrational & ridiculous nature of vinyl enthusiasts.

"Being an audiophile gives you something to yearn for--that last bit of quality, a better sound"

^ Vinyls fidelity is inferior to digital (a scientific fact), so you've basically admitted here that it should be dismissed as a format. Vinyl has nothing to offer any audiophile. This is why vinyl was (more or less) abandoned in the 80's: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29

The truth is that the "resurgence"(lol) of vinyl is due to all walks of hipsterati desperately trying to socially "authenticate" themselves and establish some bullshit pecking order over their perceived peers. It's a vain effort to seem "superior" or "cooler" in some way (with a collection of obsolete plastic disks, lol). It's just another symptom of elitist hipster stupidity.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 9:54 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 9:55 PM

If you own a single vinyl record: you are a feces chewing moron.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:17 PM

Guys, the only reasons to listen to vinyl are:

- You can listen to a whole record at once. With any digital playlist nobody has the patience to go through the whole thing, and the ADD inside us makes us change/shuffle songs every 45 seconds. With vinyl LPs, you're stuck with one album, in a pre-defined order, which is great, especially with conceptual albums.

- With vinyl you get to enjoy the great cover art, lyrics sheet as well as the - usually great - print quality. Just like the old hardcover books which are so much better than the e-books. Of course, there are shitty quality LPs with bad prints and crappy paper - those are not worth it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:18 PM

^ what the fuck are you going on about? I listen to digital albums all of the time. You really lack the self control to play an album all the way through? Sounds like you need to see a doctor bitch.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:25 PM

What's a "Doctor Bitch"?
Are they a new band that I need to go see?

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:30 PM

10:25 you gotta be old (pre-internet?) if you can listen to a whole digital album in full in the correct order. Even my dad doesn't have that much patience.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:37 PM

10:25 I think you have a fever.

Posted by Dr. Bitch | February 16, 2014 10:41 PM

in the old days, people owned vinyl albums so they could clean the seeds and stems out of their weed. but with the current hi grade weed, there are no seeds, maybe a little stem.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 10:53 PM

9:54 - You completely misread my post. When I said that 'records have an aura' I'm not talking about a literal aura. It's okay for people to like something for aesthetic reasons--you can scream and scream at the internet that digital is better, but people will still listen to records because they have a particular character. So what if that has to do with the experience of finding, buying, and playing a record? I honestly don't give a shit about how you listen to music (or anything else)--why does it bother you so much that some people simply *like* records? I can't imagine that your life is so empty that you only evaluate things based on their objective value? Have you never felt love, 9:54?

I know you're going to explain to me why this can't be true, but I have compared CDs to records side by side on my admittedly incredible stereo and sometimes the CD sounds better, sometimes the record wins. There's a lot more in the chain than the source. How many people listen to their lossless FLAC files on shitty laptop speakers or through twenty dollar ear buds?

I love how you dropped "bigger penis" from my quote. Audiophiles are as bad as record collectors. You will SHOUT until nobody will listen any more and shout some more why you are right about something that is at least partially subjective. Are you the kind of person who upgrades his power cables?

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:18 PM

Vinyl is so much better them any digital format.

All the studies prove that analog playback is FAR superior to digital, plus the downloading of music hurts artists income who I like to support.
"The creators of dreams also need to make a living"

In addition, vinyl records continue to rise in price, I have resold many records on websites for $50-$100 dollars numerous times.

There is no comparison. Vinyl is, and always will be the best way to listen to music. That's why it's been around for over 100 years, and even amidst the digital movement, the sales of vinyl has SKYROCKETED.

The end.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:20 PM

This Fuckers:

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29

ALL COMMENTERS AFTER 9:27pm this evening, are FECES CHEWING MORONS!!!

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:39 PM

Vinyl is so much better them any digital format.
All the studies prove that analog playback is FAR superior to digital, plus the downloading of music hurts artists income who I like to support.
"The creators of dreams also need to make a living"
In addition, vinyl records continue to rise in price, I have resold many records on websites for $50-$100 dollars numerous times.
There is no comparison. Vinyl is, and always will be the best way to listen to music. That's why it's been around for over 100 years, and even amidst the digital movement, the sales of vinyl has SKYROCKETED.
The end.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:41 PM

^ Yeah, not quite Cupcake

You continue to post opinion as fact. You were already spanked repeatedly over this practice but you continue to do it. Which leads me to believe that you are a a fucking moron or you understand what you are doing and need to read about yourself here: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html?wpisrc=hpsponsoredd2

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:41 PM

"Vinyl is, and always will be the best way to listen to music. That's why it's been around for over 100 years, and even amidst the digital movement, the sales of vinyl has SKYROCKETED."

NO NO NO! By that same logic I could say: Anal fisting has been around for thousands of years, there's really no need to have heterosexual intercourse of any kind.

CHECK MATE YOU SHIT.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:42 PM

I'm old, but I assume there is already a new hip spot in some other neighborhood right now... and if you hurry you can be there to say that you remember it when it was cool. The cities not changing... you just have to keep up kiddies.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:54 PM

CHECK MATE YOU SHIT.

11:42 PM - Except that you are 100% wrong. Sorry, pal; post all the links you want. I am an engineer and an expert. I could explain why you are so wrong, but I do not have the time or inclination. Vinyl rules, you drool.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:56 PM

All of this debating about Vinyl -Vs- Digital has brought up a number of valid arguments... But take note that one argument has not at all been challenged by the digital people.
And that argument is this- "MP3 enthusiasts have very small dicks"

So now that we have finally concluded this thread, one thing has been proven.
Guys that spin records = large dicks.
Guys that play MP3's = small dicks.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2014 11:59 PM

This thread is NOT over until you all admit that I am right and you are wrong. NONE of you sleep tonight until you all repost admitting that I have defeated you. (I wrote 'CHECK MATE' above, that means it's OVER)

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:01 AM

I wish I had a 7.5 incher like my pals that play records

Posted by AN MP3 ENTHUSIAST | February 17, 2014 12:08 AM

Hey 11:56 ; FUCK YOU. Did you get that engineer degree at Ohio community college? Yes? Thought so ass!.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:17 AM

"I am an engineer and an expert. I could explain why you are so wrong, but I do not have the time or inclination."

No you are an asshole. You don't get out of this after posting repeated in a thread as long as this one. I don't care who you think you are or what you think you do that gives you what you think is some kind of "expert" opinion. Wrong is wrong, and you sir are that. There is absolutely no objective evidence that supports that vinyl is superior to lossless digital formats. And, I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that 100% of the people that have posted in this thread over the last 3 days do not listen to either the kind of music nor on a systems whereby any buried artifacts would be more perceivable by either vinyl or digital so in the end it's all moot now isn't it?

Now please go away and take your enormous ego with you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:23 AM

^ please take note that 12:23 is an MP3 enthusiast.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:27 AM

^ nope, wrong again dipshit. I know, reading is hard. "lossless digital formats" has never included mp3s.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:30 AM

12:27 the "engineer expert" that doesn't know how to read. Yeah, you must be QUITE the engineer. I bet you get those coffees juuuuuust right!

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:32 AM

i blame the Google buses.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:32 AM

LOL now that's funny

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:32 AM

LOL now that's funny

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:34 AM

180g vs 200g vinyl

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:34 AM

LOL now that's funny

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:34 AM

fitness

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:35 AM

Q: How many arrogant know it all prick "engineers" does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Lighbulbs aren't vinyl, so I don't care

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:38 AM

OH, 12:23, if only 'listening' was an objective experience.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:38 AM

12:23 - look up 'moot' in the dictionary. It means the opposite of what you think it means. "Moot: subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision."

So you're saying that nobody here has a stereo good enough to perceive the subtle differences between vinyl and digital, so in the end you've been arguing for three days about something that doesn't actually matter in the end?

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:41 AM

^ MY GOSH YOU ARE A DUMB SHIT!

moot
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.

MOOT MEANING IT HAS NO PRACTICAL MEANING!!! YOU IGNORANT DOUCHE BAG!!!

and ...

So I've been arguing for 3 days now? Nope that wasn't me cumbreath, but I can see that you have. Why else would you assume that, unless you are the clown that keeps up the charade of foolishness for 3 days now ... words escape me.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:48 AM

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Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:51 AM

12:41 proves once again that having access to the information available on the internet yet lacking the knowledge and skill to use it is more dangerous than never having the access to it at all.

I guess that's par for the course with vinyl lovers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:53 AM

@12:51
You need to chill bro
Go take a walk and relax

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:54 AM

you know what i love about vinyl? how in the winter, when the heat dries out the air at home, how static electricity constantly arcs across the stylus to make those darling loud popping sounds the are both jarring and damaging to my speakers at high volumes. Yeah, that's why vinyl is superior, you can hear static.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:58 AM

I love that you looked it up in the dictionary!

You see in the first definition, how it says "open to discussion or debate"? Are you saying it's 'open to debate'? Because if it's open to debate you can't be objectively 'right'. You can't have it both ways, 12:23!

Maybe you're saying it's 'purely academic' since nobody can hear the difference anyway. That makes sense. But if THAT"S what you're saying, that the argument is 'purely academic' you wouldn't be arguing at ALL, since the implications of your argument have no practical value. If nobody can hear the difference, then why would you argue the superiority of ANY format?

I'm guessing you're not following any of this.

The thread is three days old. I assume you're the same dude who keeps posting a link to the same article to make a point that you yourself is now arguing is pointless, 'moot,' as you say, since nobody here has a stereo good enough to actually perceive the differences. And yet, you keep on going.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:02 AM

You know, I'm not actually arguing that vinyl is better or worse than anything. I'm arguing it's subjective. I don't really care what anybody listens to. I have records, but also CDs and sweet lossless FLAC files which I covet like diamonds, just like my sweet records and CDs.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:05 AM

^ you're not too bright, kid. You should leave big boy conversations for the big boys, or at least wait until you understand how words are used in context before you assume to understand how to use them yourself. You do not understand here. You should probably stop making an ass of yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:06 AM

1:02/1:05 you are a troll who for 3 days has done nothing but argue with the air. You must have quite the interesting life.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:07 AM

Let's get something straight--if you are commenting at ALL on a thread anywhere on the Internet, but especially here, you are a loser. Me, you, all of us. If you're on here to comment that somebody ELSE is a loser because he or she is commenting here (though, come on, we all know there are no women here) you are just as much of a loser. We're all equally lame, especially in a comment thread about records versus digital. It's a fact of the Internet. So thanks for calling me out, friend. Welcome to the club!

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:21 AM

Those Sounds stickers on vinyl were the worst. No way to get them off that I could figure out.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:24 AM

Let's be honest for a minute longer--you have to admit, you like it on some level. We all do. Anybody who comes here, who scrolls to the bottom of this LONG page to make a comment, who posts links to articles to make their point about digital music--we're all kind of enjoying it, right? Does that mean that you, like me, are a hairless, nearly blind troll who hasn't seen daylight for years? I make no assumptions about you--I assume you are as accomplished as you wish to be in the field of your choice--a captain of industry, an artist held in high regard, a thinker of original thought--whatever. I pray for the good of humankind you are NOT at all like me, sitting on an Internet thread, praying for some kind of human contact that does not involve any actual human contact.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:26 AM

I've been commenting on this thread and I'm a girl who loves vinyl. I'm also very fat and a stupid bitch tho, so like, whatevs.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:29 AM

Welcome, fat girl vinyl lover! I embrace you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:30 AM

1:21 - We arent here to debate wether or not were losers, were here to debate VINYL!!. So:

LETS CONTINUE THE DABATE. I say RECORDS ARE BEST.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:31 AM

1:31 - That's the spirit! I say YOU ARE WRONG because I have objective proof that digital recordings are superior!

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:32 AM

1:31 - I'm just kidding! I like records, too.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:33 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:36 AM

1:06 - Can you believe you just wrote that somebody should leave "big boy conversations for the big boys" in a thread about vinyl versus digital? Hilarious. Take note, internet arguers--adults are talking here!

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:46 AM

STONG thread, guyze

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 2:27 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 2:28 AM

Fuck you all. True audio people stay true to 8-track motherfucker!

Posted by jELENIDIS the Pig | February 17, 2014 3:15 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 3:18 AM

I AM AN AUDIO ENGINEER. HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT VINYL:

1) This thread us the funniest thread that i ever read.

2) Brooklyn Vegan should publish this thread as a novel.

3) I would buy it quick, at St. Marks Books.

4) Unless they close it down first like SOUNDS.

FIN

Posted by jELENIDIS | February 17, 2014 3:29 AM

Anyone who says that flac sounds better than 320 mp3 is full of shit.

If you care about music, leave your basement and see a live show.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 4:05 AM

The only music I need to listen to is the sound of a food processor mashing up chickpeas into that familiar tan paste we all know and love.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 4:16 AM

4:05 True. They did a listening test, and people can't hear any difference.

3:29 LOL

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 4:25 AM

People who don't like records just don't own any good ones.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 8:25 AM

Every post from last night is from the same lonely loser arguing with himself. Sad.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 8:52 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 9:39 AM

ellen page listened to vinyl and now she is gay

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 9:50 AM

^ you're not too bright, kid. You should leave big boy conversations for the big boys, or at least wait until you understand how words are used in context before you assume to understand how to use them yourself. You do not understand here. You should probably stop making an ass of yourself.

Posted by hguhf | February 17, 2014 9:59 AM

^ #bigboytalk

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 10:21 AM

@9:59 unlike the proof you speak about the differences in format quality, it's been proven that vinyl listening turns the listener gay. What's not to get?

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:27 PM

300

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:48 PM

LOL 12:27 doesn't know he's arguing with a spambot

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 12:58 PM

This comment section is worse than 4chan.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 1:12 PM

After reading this thread, all I've learned in apparently Vinyl has better sound quality, and MP3 enthusiasts have rather small peckers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 4:11 PM

I was gay and used to listen to vinyl, but michelle Bachmann's husband turned me straight and now I listen to cds.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 5:30 PM

NO NO NO!

By that same logic I could say: Anal fisting has been around for thousands of years, there's really no need to have heterosexual intercourse of any kind.
CHECK MATE YOU SHIT.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 5:36 PM

don't let this thread die

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 8:25 PM

It's really sad to see this place go. Manhattan is losing it's soul. What will replace this? It won't be better whatever it will be. In 10 years Manhattan will have no real places for artists to go other than museums/galleries. It will be a boring island of rich people. And the other boroughs will be servants islands to serve the rich.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 10:29 PM

Go to Rough Trade in Brooklyn. Manhattan is suck island. Only assholes live there.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 10:34 PM

I read the whole thread and still can't decide whether I should buy records, CDs, MP3s, or FLAC files. Can somebody please tell me which will provide the most aesthetically pleasing experience in terms of fidelity to the original recording, but also in terms of whatever the audio equivalent of 'mouth feel' is? I'm sure I'll get it in another 100 comments or so. If it helps, I listen to all of my music on my macbook air speakers. Thank you for your time, internet.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2014 10:58 PM

^to answer your inquiry... If you have a small pecker, then play digital files, but if you a have a 7.5 incher, go with vinyl.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 12:45 AM

This is post #314. Good christ, people.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 2:03 AM

And this is post #315.

And i would like to say that playing records not only sounds better, but it also looks better.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 2:24 AM

I'd much rather see a DJ with a crate of vinyl than some loser with a shit-clogged laptop.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 11:57 AM

^ clowns like this are why live music is dying. DJ, pffff

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 1:08 PM

^ and clowns like this need to eat more hummus.
I recommend a minimum of three times per week.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 6:30 PM

This is my dads store. He poured his whole life into something he loved and whatever you have to stay about record stores, it's a sad day for us and for those who love what he provided. That should be it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 6:39 PM

Vinyl is Dead.

The moose out front should have told you that.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 6:45 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 7:12 PM

quad 200g vinyl

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2014 11:54 PM

last

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2014 10:07 AM

Vinyl wins.

Posted by Anonymous | February 27, 2014 8:22 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | February 27, 2014 8:34 PM

Vinyl won.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2014 3:59 AM

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