Posted in music on May 9, 2014

Morrissey @ The Observatory in Santa Ana, CA last night (via @crowdflicks)
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As we posted last night when Morrissey's tour hit The Observatory in Santa Ana, CA (5/8), the show happening in the space's smaller, adjacent venue The Constellation Room -- Brooklyn's We Are Scientists and Scottish band PAWS -- was nearly canceled, as Morrissey didn't want the show's sound bleeding into his. PAWS wrote an angry missive on their Facebook, which got picked up by this site and others. Things ended up working out, with the WAS/PAWS show starting after Morrissey's ended.

But there 's more to the story. Since then, PAWS have posted a much longer, detailed account of everything that happened, including what happened right before they were to take the stage:

However, after we got here, ten minutes before we were about to go onstage, with the show seemingly in full swing and in good health, Phillip and Josh were confronted by Morrissey's tour manager in our own dressing room. After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at them both, practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of "I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!" Frankly, beyond being insulting, unreasonable, and to be honest a little hilarious, we simply couldn't believe that this situation had escalated to this point. Far from a reasonable conversation or settling of differences, this seemed like a 'telling off' and to be honest put pretty much everything in context. To feel like you're being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.

Pissed off and fired up, we jumped out and did our best to kill it for the 30 mins we had in the lights. We burst ourselves trying to bring it, and after ALL that, we came off beaten, sweaty but elated. In our minds, this is over. Fuck this shit.

You can read the entirety of PAWS' account below. Meanwhile, We Are Scientists took in the Morrissey show and offered a review on their Twitter:

When their dates with WAS end, PAWS' tour will hit NYC for a show at Shea Stadium on May 24 with Alex G, The Dirty Nil and Ma.

PAWS full Facebook post below...

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OK...

So, in light of unexpected media attention, please allow us to explain what happened to us earlier today. It might be a little long, but we appreciate your patience as we feel it needs to be said.

Early this afternoon (Thursday May 8th) as we were travelling from San Francisco to Santa Ana to play a show tonight at Constellation Rooms with We Are Scientists, we received a call from the promoter/venue telling us that Morrissey, who was also due to play a show tonight in the larger room at the venue, had requested that no live music be heard during his set. SO, in order to adhere to curfews, this would mean that we couldn't play our opening slot as it would clash with Morrissey's and We Are Scientists' headline show would be cut short and heavily delayed (until after Morrissey's show). We were then informed that in respect of this cancellation, we had been offered to be paid double our guarantee for our troubles as per a clause in the contract for the show, but it was also asserted that we didn't really have a choice in the matter; for example, we didn't really get any sort of option to try and make the show work, it was just very cut and dry. So in short, we were essentially getting paid not to play.

We were instantly very confused. Many, if not all, bands we have met, played with or seen, have most certainly played a show in a venue with two rooms without incident, much less threat of cancellation. The idea that sound would bleed.. well it's always seemed apparent that this is a risk if you plan to run/play a venue of this type, but there are usually measures in place to prevent there being any disturbance to either show. We've played shows like this quite a few times, so it seemed excessive. We felt almost like we were being bribed - not by the promoter it should be said, but by the show's production - and for a reason that seemed a little overdramatic.

Although all bands in our situation could very much do with the extra money, it didn't sit right with us that we were essentially, very much literally, being silenced; being bought out, and for reasons that, when explained to us as above, not only seemed trivial but seemed to fit the unfortunate egotistical stereotypes that Morrissey has come to embody in recent years, not least as we had been informed that he has already been noted for cancelling several shows .

Now, far from wishing to start a cheap fight, we felt outraged, naturally. We felt frustrated, angry, undermined and totally helpless as, to our knowledge, a reason outwith our control was threatening to ruin a (sold-out) show we were really excited about and we didn't even have a choice. We felt that we would've felt dirty taking the money. It didn't feel right to just be bought out; we would like to think that what we do is worth more that a quick bit of cash, so we decided to fight it. We naturally felt like we wanted to scream it out loud, we felt like it was complete bullshit, and that no one, regardless of their standing as a performer, and associated crew, should be allowed to dictate what goes on with such lack of disregard to the logistics, not to mention the feelings of other people. What's more, there seemed to be a real blunder in terms of 'chain of command' as our slot was officially pulled before we knew about it, before We Are Scientists knew about it, before our booking agents knew. What we ended up getting told seemed more like cold hard fact - you're not doing it, end of story. This made us even more angry, as it felt very disrespectful.

After sitting on it for a while, we decided to relay the information we'd been given, which we did, as fact, to our fans, through our channels. Whatever else was said in that post was purely driven by the emotional intensity of the situation, but to be fair, at the time, we said what we felt like we wanted to say based on what we got told, which we think is fair enough; although in hindsight, perhaps that may have been misconstrued as some sort of 'attack'; which it wasn't, we were just pissed off.

And from here, shit gets fucking crazy.

The post went crazy. We received several calls from lots of different people, perhaps the most important being the promoter for Morrissey's show. He informed us that - in light of the exponentially-increasing web traffic, there was a possibility that this could shine badly on the entire operation and that if anyone from the Morrissey camp was to see this, there was a very high chance that he could threaten to cancel. This was insane to us. We already weren't playing, and then there was even the slight possibility that what we wrote could still impact on his show?? That's insane. We just said what we got told - and to be completely 100% honest, we were only intending to spread the word to 'our' fans and friends, because we thought they were the only ones watching. Oh how wrong we were...

The promoter, genuinely upset, told us that there had already been a sizeable six figure sum deposited to Morrissey and if he cancels the show, that will be completely gone and that would be disastrous for the venue, which we were told could potentially go under. This guy was terrified and genuinely appealed, in light of him potentially 'losing everything', that we try to contain the situation, which had escalated as the post went viral. In respect of his genuine testimony and in fear that our action would result not just in the cancellation of the show but in the serious financial chaos for the venue and all involved, we felt it was only right to remove the post. At least until the show was over when we could clarify the situation properly.

After hours of calls back and forth in a McDonalds car park at a service station - free wifi - we realised that news sites had picked up on the story and the whole thing went apeshit. Eventually, after much talk, and much back and forth, a few options were brought to our attention and weirdly, after it seeming like a cut and shut case, we eventually, somehow managed to negotiate a slot immediately following Morrissey's set. This was insane, we thought we were fucked, and then after all that it was just sorted. Whether the Morrissey camp realised it was bullshit, or it was the strength of the attention this whole damn thing was getting, who knows, but eventually it seemed like things might be straightened out. Relieved, we posted that the show was back on.

After this, as more sites started to pick up on it, we got more frantic calls from the promoter for the Morrissey show, telling us that his representatives had flipped and insisted the whole thing was not the actions of Morrissey himself, but that of his own security, and that we 'need to apologise' and set this straight. We felt that, regardless of who had actually said this, this was still done by someone in the Morrissey camp, on behalf of the man himself - who, notoriously organised and fully in control, would surely not be entirely unaware of - shedding light on an extremely poor and disrespectful attitude. The fact that this would not only need to be considered by anyone but in fact enforced, suggests a mentality surrounding performance and production that is selfish and unreasonable. To make sure that your show is not impeded by sound pollution IS reasonable, but it's a purpose-built venue that books double shows all the time, has measures in place to stop such a thing, and to just call the show/slot off, HOURS BEFORE THE GIG, with disregard to the smaller show, felt very petty and unnecessary. Not only that but the fact that there was even the slightest notion that he would actually cancel his OWN show in light of this seemed utterly ridiculous to us. Considering how much this was going to impact on the promoter's personal financial situation, let alone the venue, allegedly to the point of bankruptcy, we felt this was absurd.

As we hightailed it to Santa Ana, running late now after all this bullshit, we were genuinely concerned for the welfare of the promoter and everyone at the venue. We felt personally insulted and beaten down by bullshit beyond our control, so we stood up for ourselves. We NEVER wanted to cause anyone any trouble, so we were genuinely worried about Morrissey cancelling the show. Thankfully, moments before we arrived, we were informed that the show was most certainly on and that all was well.

However, after we got here, ten minutes before we were about to go onstage, with the show seemingly in full swing and in good health, Phillip and Josh were confronted by Morrissey's tour manager in our own dressing room. After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at them both, practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of "I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!" Frankly, beyond being insulting, unreasonable, and to be honest a little hilarious, we simply couldn't believe that this situation had escalated to this point. Far from a reasonable conversation or settling of differences, this seemed like a 'telling off' and to be honest put pretty much everything in context. To feel like you're being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.

Pissed off and fired up, we jumped out and did our best to kill it for the 30 mins we had in the lights. We burst ourselves trying to bring it, and after ALL that, we came off beaten, sweaty but elated. In our minds, this is over. Fuck this shit.

Tonight belongs to everyone who came to see us tonight, everyone who waited for HOURS to see We Are Scientists and us; to We Are Scientists themselves who killed it tonight, as always, and totally got our fucking backs! To Brendan, Ian, Jeffrey, and EVERY goddamn person who was down the front, we made it in the end...it was all thanks to you.

Fuck the Grapevine.

We love you all.

Ryan, Joshua and Phillip.

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Comments (56)

Is this like Alien vs. Predator? Whoever wins, we lose.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 10:56 AM

Who's PAWS?

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:03 AM

Morrissey's music is obviously far better than these other bands, but he's still a total schmuck. You're in your 50s, dude. Time to grow up.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:04 AM

Fuck you Morrissey, that's what you get for being a scientoligist vegan.

Posted by We Are Scientists | May 9, 2014 11:05 AM

It's about time someone put the fat, washed-up old man in his place.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:10 AM

we hate it when our friends become successful

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:11 AM

hahaha @ 1056

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:11 AM

lol, paws gonna try to milk this for all it's worth, write a fucking novel about it why don't you

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:13 AM

I'm glad Paws and We Are Scientists can actually have people talking about them for a bit. It must have been sad for them that nobody cared.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:23 AM

Call me when PAWS or WAS have one tenth the career Morrissey has.

Posted by VP of Sales | May 9, 2014 11:24 AM

lmao 10:56

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:30 AM

Yvette sucks, deal with it

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:30 AM

PAWS vs MoZ I thought this was a PETA event.

Posted by mislead | May 9, 2014 11:32 AM

fuck everyone & everything in this story.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:33 AM

didn't this complete and utterly talent-LESS band 'we are scientists' break up, or threaten to?

i saw them open for arctic monkeys at roseland. they suck. BIG time.

are they kidding? mocking morrissey??

this piece of crap combo will be forgotten by all in a year or two. i mean, aren't they embarrassed? don't they know they have NO station AT ALL in the music scene?

morrissey is a professor and we are(n't) scientists are toddlers crapping their pants who will NEVER grow up. aand never make a noteworthy piece of music in their miserable lives.

mocking morrissey. incredible!

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:34 AM

Who the fuck are those other bands? At the same time while I do enjoy Morrissey's music he is a total dweeb.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:39 AM

Mozzer's posse sound like they are just as insufferable and self important as Queen Douche herself

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:39 AM

11:34 was written by WAS.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:39 AM

There's alwats an 80% chance Morrissey is going to find some reason to cancel a gig. I guess he was using this as an excuse last night.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:40 AM

Fuck morrissey for ruining culture through his worthless "i kinda sorta like women but not really"

He IS gay.
He DOES fuck dudes in West Hollywood pickup bars.
He HATES women, no matter what he writes in his impressive-to-people-who-are-impreesed-with-bad-high-school-level-poetry.

He is racist, sexist and an absolutely evil pile of human garbage who cant sing and has the most punchable face in the history of the world. If you like him or support him, you deserve a special place in hell.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:42 AM

This sounds a lot like post city boy drama. Don't let it go to you.

Posted by Mr. Foot Fetish | May 9, 2014 11:45 AM

11:42 was written by Morrissey.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:45 AM

"...and has the most punchable face in the history of the world"

debatable
http://cdn2.pitchfork.com/features/9044/941d83c0.jpg

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:49 AM

Everyone defending Morrissey is sad. Who cares if the bands complaining suck? Morrissey has made some great music over the years, but defending him as a person is just pathetic. He's a bitter old asshole who phones it in on a nightly basis.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:49 AM

Morrissey as a member of the Smiths WAS relevant. Not any more.Boring sack of shit..

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:52 AM

11:30 Yvette is awesome...you suck...there

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:56 AM

ugh.....fuck morrisey

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 11:58 AM

Everyone involved in this feud is a talentless asshole. It's all so embarrassing and quite gay.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:03 PM

enjoy you 30 minutes of show and fame, for after behaving like idiots online not many venues will want to book your awful music show

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:07 PM

11:34, you remind me why I can't stand diehard Morrissey fans.

I'm pretty shocked to see anyone defending this asshole. I agree that his music is better than the other two bands, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a diva. Stop paying to see this has been .

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:08 PM

Moz is a boss. PAWS are scrubs.

Get to boss level, then you can call the shots.

Until then, stop crying. It's useless.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:10 PM

I don't know who PAWS are, and WAS are obviously far from relevant at this point, but amen to them for saying it. All you Morrissey cult members who suck him off on the regular need your fanboy/girl-dom smashed back in your face occasionally. He was being a cunt in this situation. Admit it. He was totally in the wrong to try and stop a show in the other room. Tons of venues operate this way where there's multiple rooms with shows going on at the same time, and I've yet to hear a complaint at this point from any artist about that set-up.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:17 PM

why is this even a discussion topic? we know which one of the three has the right to be a diva and a cunt

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:25 PM

I would love an all anal gangbang with WAS!! XOXO

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 12:28 PM

At least I sold my Morrissey tickets at the Observatory for a 550% profit! I took 11 of my friends to in n out burger on the back of a vegan. Thanks Moz, more cows were slaughtered and for paying my rent.

Posted by $$$$ | May 9, 2014 12:43 PM

Ramones sweet Ramones you've got panache Posted by $$$$ | May 9, 2014 12:43 PM! The secret In N Out menu bugs me a bit but other than that I love it there.

Posted by Mr. Foot Fetish | May 9, 2014 1:01 PM

Two years from now no one will remember those two dumb millennials bands had ever existed.

Posted by ME | May 9, 2014 1:15 PM

Why are bands defending Morrissey he doesn't care about you.

Posted by Glossyloca | May 9, 2014 1:21 PM

11:42 sounds insanely jealous that he doesn't live in west hollywood.

i'm sure you're too ugly for morrissey (or anyone else for that fact).

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 1:39 PM

11:56-- not sure whose D they stroked to get the cred, cuz they stink

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 1:47 PM

The numbers don't add up here.

The venue says they paid Morrissey a "six figure sum" for the show, but it's only 550 person capacity. At an estimated $40 a ticket, that's only $22k.

Unless the venue gave him all the money from booze sales and didn't pay their staff, there's no way he was paid even close to six figures.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 1:48 PM

you're confused 1:48. morrissey didn't play any 550-seat venue.

maybe those other LOSER bands did. and no way more than 120 showed up.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 2:09 PM

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/venue-358001-reiser-bands.html

Nope, you're confused.

Capacity is 550 in the larger venue. 300 in the smaller one.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 3:32 PM

Morrissey is so overrated its disgusting. He is so easy to hate

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 3:37 PM

Any forgettable hipster band feuding with Morrissey >>>>> Kristeen Young

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 4:02 PM

morrissey would NEVER wear a top shop blazer.

he's smarter and better than everyone involved in this.

if you don't like morrissey, it's because you don't get it - because you're an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 4:58 PM

The Smiths were the most overrated band of the 80's, in spite of Marr's great guitar work. Morrissey is a piece of crap. It makes no difference how good or bad the other bands are, there's no excuse for being an asshole. Those defending him are just as bad or worse than Morrissey.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 6:11 PM

6:11 - being an asshole is unfortunately the way of the world these days. Everyone is a smug asshole. You're being an asshole right here by posting that comment.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 7:06 PM

6:11 surmised the entire situation accurately and I applaud him/her(?) on their fully accurate opinion. I agree with everything they said and I think you, 7:06, need to take a long hard look at your short soft penis and keep your mouth shut.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 9:46 PM

9:46 has to think of his mum to get it up.

Posted by Anonymous | May 9, 2014 10:18 PM

PAWS & MOZ have only one thing in common..

the ZZZzzzzzzzZZzzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzz.....

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 1:27 AM

9:46 - you proved my point perfectly about everyone being an asshole. Thank you.

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 1:36 PM

So anyone who is just so over this old queen and her desperate attempts at attention grabbing / dying to be relevant is an asshole? M'kay, slick but you know she's STILL not going to let you blow her right?

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 4:37 PM

Keep it up kid, you're doing swell.

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 4:43 PM

Love the shout-out to free wi-fi at McDonalds by PAWS - that's probably what pissed Morrissey off the most...

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 5:55 PM

Wasn't it thanks to free McDonald's WiFi that D did his beat work on BV?

Posted by Anonymous | May 10, 2014 6:59 PM

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