Entries tagged with: Harley Flanagan
Eugene Robinson of Oxbow, September 2011 (more by Fred Pessaro // BBG)
Unlike most of the year-end lists we've seen, which are of albums, songs, or memorable moments from live shows, Eugene Robinson, frontman of long-running noise rockers Oxbow, always caps his year off with something way weirder (and awesome). Last year it was his Top Revenge Themes for 2011 and this year he's listed his Top 10 Things in 2012 To Which I Will Say "Don't Get Me Started." The list is just as amazing as you'd hope, and you can read the entire thing below.
"They should be embarrassed that they jumped me and I am going to court for putting them in the hospital." - Harley Flanagan via NY Natives
Harley on a horse
You probably remember the now infamous 'Cro-Mags incident' that took place during the 'CBGB Festival' over the summer, and how Harley Flanagan, who was the one arrested, is claiming he was jumped and that it was all self defense. Vice has an update:
...the state's case isn't coming together as easily as everyone assumed it would. With Harley in court, the judge asks the assistant district attorney what's up. No grand jury has been convened yet, the ADA replies, and the case gets adjourned to Dec. 5.John Joseph is likely claiming that the Harley-sympathetic Vice article is filled with lies. What do you think?
If the case doesn't come together, with witness statements and testimony and a grand jury the thumbs up to the ADA to proceed, then the clock runs out on the charges on December 8, and Harley can shut the door on the legal troubles stemming from that night in July...
...To hear the other side tell it, Flanagan was crazed on the night of July 6, and may or may not have smuggled the knife into Webster Hall in his ass. Harley, speaking to me, paints a different picture: He was invited backstage and was ambushed, and in a subsequent fight for his life got stabbed, coming out of the VIP room with an oozing leg wound that at first looked like a compound fracture. "The only thing I did wrong that night was go out to the club," said Flanagan on Thursday. "I got jumped by a bunch of wannabe thugs."
Harley didn't know he was in trouble until the cops arrived and he was labeled as the assailant. He spent the next six days on Rikers Island, somewhat of a celebrity because of his case's notoriety. "I was like a white Mike Tyson," he says.
In Rikers, his leg wound, which had been simply stitched up, became infected with staph and MRSA and ballooned, and after being released on bail, he wound up in a hospital bed for ten days
As we were saying, original Cro-Mags member Harley Flanagan told website NYNatives that he was acting in self defense when two members of his old band were injured by him at Webster Hall on July 6th. NYNatives since posted Harley's entire statement...
"According to Harley, he was invited to the dressing room back stage and instead of being welcomed as he expected he was jumped by a group of men. "When I saw that door get pulled shut I was literally fighting for my life. I was afraid these guys were going to kick me half to death, roll me down the back steps and that no one would see it... and there would be no witnesses and that would be that....and all I could think about was getting home safe to my kids...I wanted to save my life, to protect myself and these guys were trying to do me in."Current Cro-Mags frontman John Joseph, who was also in that dressing room, has since issued another statement that starts with the line, "[Harley's] been watching too many sci-fi movies." The rest below...
Cro-Mags founder, Harley Flanagan himself and his attorney have told nynatives.com exclusively in a statement that everything that happened on July 6th at the CBGB's Festival Cro-Mags show at Webster Hall happened in "self defense." Harley was not the aggressor and any and all of his actions were in self defense. This statement is in direct conflict with all major media reports covering the events which happened that night.Look for an interview in the coming days via the site. It'll be interesting to hear another side of the story to what happened at Webster Hall that fateful night. Either way, we are glad to hear that his alleged target Mike "The Gook" is feeling better, though he is currently seeking donations for his medical bills. Donate if you can, details on how are below.
photos by Kurt Christensen
John Joseph addresses the crowd @ Webster Hall Friday night - 7/6/12 (video below)
Before things took a turn for the worse and got all stabby, Webster Hall hosted performances from Vision of Disorder, Sai-Nam and Absolution as part of a five band bill that would have also included Sick of It All and Cro-Mags if the CBGB Festival Friday show didn't end early. Pictures from the relatively peaceful opening to the show are in this post.
As discussed, things got ugly when ex-Cro-Mags bassist Harley Flanagan, who is known for not being happy that Cro-Mags continue without him, allegedly assaulted current Cro-Mags members with a hunting knife before the Cro-Mags set. Harley has been charged with assault and criminal possession of a weapon.
John Joseph and his version of Cro-Mags (that was scheduled to play Webster Hall but instead got cut) issued the following statement:
WE... as a band are truly sorry for the way it all turned out in every regard even the ex-member who's family is now effected by his choices. Our prayers go out to them as well as Mike C., and the others who were hurt, but it was 'his' choice to come to our concert with a hunting knife, standing by our dressing door. Who knows what his actual intent was, obviously he wasn't there with it to cut bread for a peace offering as he was heard saying outside he was putting an end to us playing without him. Let's move on now & stop the trash-talking. Keep that PMA - that's what we are all about.PMA indeed.
That's a picture of John telling the Webster Hall crowd that the show is over on Friday. You can watch video of it below.
The NY Times talked to John too:
John Joseph, the band's lead singer, said that Mr. Flanagan had been at odds with other members of the Cro-Mags since he left the band in 2000 and had not been permitted to rejoin.The NY Post points out:
"This dude has been a negative thorn in the side of this band forever," Mr. Joseph said. "I hope he gets what's coming to him."
Few bands were as energetic as the Cro-Mags during the heyday of the Lower East Side hard-core scene in the mid- to late 1980s. Their first record, "The Age of Quarrel," featured an illustration of a mushroom cloud on the cover and driving songs with shouted lyrics about existential fear and the limits of anarchism.
In many ways the songs were a reflection of the world as seen by Mr. Flanagan, who left school at an early age and began hanging out on the decaying streets of the Lower East Side, where rent was cheap, abandoned buildings proliferated and the drug trade flourished.
The hard-core scene gradually become less visible, said Clayton Patterson, a photographer on the Lower East Side who has documented many of the bands, but it has experienced a revival in recent years.
The crowd was waiting for the Cro-Mags on Friday night when Mr. Flanagan darted from the dressing room while yelling something that onlookers could not make out, according to a spectator, Elie Perler, 30.
Joseph warned CBGB Festival organizers that Flanagan wasn't wanted, but he wound up obtaining a press pass.For those people that "don't believe the hype", somehow have faith that this is one big government conspiracy, or that it actually wasn't Harley Flanagan that attacked two in the VIP area at "Weber Hall", you can contribute to the Free Harley Flanagan fund. 119 days to go on this crowdsourcing effort and they are currently at 0.988% towards their $50k goal. Good luck with that one.
"Get somebody on the door who knows what he looks like," Joseph said he warned. "They didn't take that threat seriously."
If you missed Vision of Disorder, you can catch them in NYC again at Music Hall of Williamsburg on November 24th, tickets go on AMEX presale at noon on Wednesday (7/11) and regular sale on Friday.
More pictures of a peaceful Webster Hall before the storm, and video of John Joseph addressing the crowd, below.
CBGB Fest in Times Square - 7/7/2012 (pic via BrooklynVegan Instagram)
The CBGB Festival released this statement today:
We are saddened to learn about the events that occurred last night at Webster Hall. Our primary concern is always the safety and experience of New Yorkers, music fans and the general public. Naturally we will fully cooperate with law enforcement while hoping for the speedy recovery of those injured.UPDATE: Here are pictures from the show and a statement from Cro-Mags too.
Live music can be incredibly uplifting, empowering and positive. We don't feel the actions of one person should overshadow four amazing days and nights of events that include today's historic and unprecedented free concerts in Times Square and Central Park.
-The CBGB Festival
by Fred Pessaro / BBG
Harley Flanagan is wheeled out of Webster Hall (via NYC Hammers)
To follow up our vague tweet last night, the NY Post has the full story:
A former member of the hard-core punk band the Cro-Mags attacked two of the group's current members with a hunting knife in a dressing room before a show at Webster Hall yesterday -- biting one and slashing both.The show, part of the CBGB Festival, was shut down before either Sick of it All or Cro-Mags took the stage. Its a sad day for New York Hardcore. This unity that everyone speaks about? PMA? The time for that is now.
The band was about to take the stage about 8:15 p.m. when tattooed rocker Harley Flanagan, 42, barreled through the East Village venue's VIP section toward the Cro-Mags' dressing room, sending nearly 30 guests on the balcony into a frenzy, law enforcement sources and witnesses said.
"Someone was yelling, 'Get his hands, get his hands, he's got a knife!' " witness Dave Gustav said. "Everything went nuts."
Several beefy security guards rushed to contain Flanagan, who seemed about to boil over before he entered the East Village venue.
...Flanagan, the band's former bassist and founder, suffered a broken leg by the time security finally pinned him down, witnesses said. Cops handcuffed him to a chair and took him out.
"People started booing him and throwing stuff at him," eyewitness Justin Brannan said. "His hands were handcuffed but he still gave everyone the finger."
William Berario, 45, was slashed above the eye and bitten on his cheek. Michael Couls, 33, -- the band's current bassist, who is known in the hardcore world as "The Gook" -- was cut on his arm and stomach. -
Harley, who did the stabbing, is an original member of the band that formed in 1981. John Joseph, also an original member, leads the current version of "Cro-Mags" that Harley is not in, and which John was calling "Cro-Mags (jam)" for a bit in 2008 to avoid confusion with a version of the band Harley was leading (or for legal reasons or something like that). John's version, which didn't keep the "(jam)" on their name for long, has been having much success the past few years, this CBGB Festival booking included. Harley's version hasn't been active in a while
J. Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. plays a CBGB benefit show on September 11th. (guests & ticket info. TBA)
Old Skull is reuniting at the Exploited show on September 8th.
September 3rd is listed like this..."HARLEY'S WAR Featuring Harley Flanagan and Hard core Allstars and special cromag guests!!! Playing ALL "ORIGINAL CRO-MAGS AND HARLEY'S WAR SONGS!!!!"
We're all Broken and BlackoutPack are are opening for Thursday on August 25th.
All benefit shows below...