Entries tagged with: Love Inks
by Andrew Sacher
Love Inks at MHOW in 2013 (more by Amanda Hatfield)
Austin's Love Inks have announced that they'll release their third album, Exi, on September 9 via Republic of Music. Its first single, "Shoot 100 Panes of Glass," is more of their minimalist pop with not even a single snare hit in the song's bare percussion, and the airy vocals of singer Sherry Le Blanc leading the way. You can stream that, with the album artwork and tracklist, below.
Love Inks haven't announced a tour yet, but they will be coming to NYC soon after the album's release for a show on September 15 at Glasslands with Air Waves and Hollow & Akimbo. Tickets for that show are on sale now.
Song stream, album artwork and tracklist, below...
by Andrew Sacher
Austin garage rockers Ghetto Ghouls are releasing their self-titled LP on April 8 via Monofonus Press, and after sharing one of its tracks, "Peepshow," they're back with another, "Living Alone," which makes its premiere in this post. It's a lo-fi, distortion-covered downer punk dirge that has the singer yelling not much more than "I'M LIVINGGG ALONEEE" repeatedly and increasingly less restrained for the song's minute and a half duration. Check it out below.
Like many other Austin bands, Ghetto Ghouls will play a number of hometown shows next week for the insanity that is SXSW, including the Ping Pong day party at Hotel Vegas (3/12) with Natural Child, Shocked Minds, Dirty Fences and more; the Monofonus Press day party at Beerland (3/12) with Destruction Unit, Guerilla Toss, Lushes and others; the Thread Pull Records day party at Trailer Space (3/13) with Crooked Bangs, Lie and others; the official Monofonus showcase at The Hideout (3/15) with Protomartyr, Love Inks and more; and the annual Panache Hangover Party on Sunday (3/16) with Tweens, September Girls, The Blind Shake, Calvin Love, A Giant Dog, Yvette and many more.
Their SXSW schedule in list format, and the new song, below...
Black Lips at Bowery Ballroom, Nov. 2012 (more by Dylan Johnson)
SXSW 2014, which does down from March 7-16 across multiple Austin venues, already announced one round of artists, and they've just now revealed the second lineup announcement. It includes Syd Arthur, The Baseball Project, Arthur Beatrice, Black Lips, Blouse, Circuit des Yeux, Diarrhea Planet, Kevin Drew, Dune Rats, EMA, Esben and the Witch, Fielded, Future Islands, Jenny Hval, James Iha, Kayo Dot, Love Inks, Mirah, Gary Numan, Peelander-Z, Potty Mouth, Public Service Broadcasting, Rockie Fresh, Saintseneca, Skream, Slothrust, The So So Glos, Spires, Talib Kweli, Tashaki Miyaki, Timber Timbre, Torres, Tourist, Truckfighters, We Were Promised Jetpacks, Wye Oak, French band La Femme (who are planning a two month North American tour around it) and many more.
Badges are still available. Full lineup announcement below...
photos by Amanda Hatfield
The Blow's Khaela Maricich & Melissa Dyne @ Music Hall of Williamsburg
While they have a new album out -- their first in six years -- and do perform songs from it and older favorites, seeing The Blow live has never been a standard concert experience. Khaela Maricich is more a performance artist who writes pop songs than anything else, with funny monologues and close interaction with the audience (sometimes purposefully awkward) being as much the point as The Blow's undeniably catchy tunes.
This was the case at Music Hall of Williamsburg on Sunday (11/10). With conspirator Melissa Dyne controlling the music from a platform in the middle of the main floor, Maricich crowd-surfed, danced around on stage, and popped a sculpted cluster of silver balloons. For those who don't mind a bit of the theatre (and enjoy likeminded Pacific Northwest types like Miranda July), The Blow's charms are many.
Austin's Love Inks, whose new album Generation Club is full of warm, minimal pop, opened the night. Pictures from the whole evening are in this post.
by Bill Pearis
As mentioned on BV Austin, trio Love Inks are set to release their second album, Generation Club, on September 24 via Monofonus Press. Like their 2011 debut, the new album works the band's minimalist chams with lovely ethereal pop, produced just enough. You can stream "Solar Diary" over at MTVU and watch the video for the lightly pulsing new single "Outa Sight" below.
Love Inks will be taking the show on the road this fall, touring with The Blow. That includes the tour's final stop which happens in NYC at Music Hall of Williamsburg on November 10. Tickets are still available. All dates are listed below.
Frightened Rabbit @ T5, Nov. 2010 (more by Lionel Bergeron)
SXSW has just announced another round of bands for the 2013 edition of the annual music festival that will happen March 12 - 17. This brings the total current number of acts to around 1300. Someome of the highlights include Vampire Weekend, Frightened Rabbit, The Thermals, Black Lips, Camera Obscura, Merchandise, Bleached, Mr. Muthafuckin' eXquire, Eagles of Death Metal, Parenthetical Girls, Indians, Night Beds, IO Echo, KEN Mode, Prince Paul, Pure Bathing Culture, Sepalcure, UK motorik post-punks TOY, Finnish instrumentalists K-X-P, Toronto's Moon King, UK indie rockers Splashh (not Brooklyn Splash with one "h") and loads more. Head to BV Austin for the whole Round 3 list.
by Andrew Sacher
DOWNLOAD: Raymond Byron & the White Freighter - "Allegiance" (MP3)
Ray Raposa, the brains behind Asthmatic Kitty-signed freak folk project Castanets, hasn't officially retired the Castanets moniker, but he is on to a new project which he's calling Raymond Byron & the White Freighter. He released his first album with that project, Little Death Shaker, earlier this month (9/4) via Asthmatic Kitty. It's got more folk and less freak than Castanets but more characteristically solid songwriting from Ray nonetheless. You can grab an MP3 of the album's single, "Allegiance," above or stream the entire album below, via bandcamp, where you can also purchase it for $8.
For Austin's Love Inks, the Pianos show is one of two previously mentioned NYC shows they're playing on their tour this month. The other happens on September 26 at Glasslands with Shy Hunters, Baby Alpaca, and Young Unknowns. Tickets for that show are still available.
An updated list of Love Inks dates and the Raymond Byron & the White Freighter streams are below...
by Bill Pearis
Austin's Love Inks will be on tour next month heading north to Pop Montreal and stopping twice in NYC for shows on September 21 at Pianos before they cross the Canadian border and then at Glasslands on September 26 with Shy Hunters and Baby Alpaca on their way back home. No advance tickets for the Pianos show yet but tickets for the Glasslands show are on sale now. The band will also play Fun Fun Fun Fest in their hometown in November. All tour dates are listed at the bottom of this post.
The trio are also finishing up work on their sophomore album which is due out February, 2013. If you haven't heard the minimalist guitar pop that is Love Inks debut album, E.S.P., you can stream it below.
After teasing folks with a few names here and there -- like Run DMC most recently -- Austin's annual Fun Fun Fun Fest (Nov 2 - 4) has revealed it's full line-up, including Public Image Ltd, De La Soul, Superchunk, Santigold, Refused, X peforming Los Angeles, and lots, lots more. 3-day passes go on sale at 10AM CST.
Full FFF Fest lineup is below.
the flyer (with most of the bands playing on it)
BrooklynVegan is proud to team up with M for Montreal again for a FREE Day Party in Austin on Thursday, March 15th from noon-7pm at Hotel Vegan (one of BrooklynVegan's FOUR DAYS in the venue located at 1500 E. 6th St.).
I'll let this full three-stage lineup speak for itself...
Stage 1 (Hotel Vegas Outside)That's all Austin bands on the BV Austin stage. It's going to a very great day
12:00 Of Monsters & Men
12:45 Glen Hansard (of Swell Season & the Frames)
1:30 We Are Serenades (formerly Serenades, mem. Shout Out Louds)
3:00 Korallreven (mem. of the Radio Dept)
4:30 The Drums
5:15 The Wedding Present
6:15 This Will Destroy You
Stage 2 (Hotel Vegas Inside)
12:00 Half Moon Run
1:30 Cold Specks
2:15 Cymbals Eat Guitars
3:00 The Velvet Teen
3:45 Yellow Ostrich
4:30 The Jealous Sound
Stage 3 (Volstead) (BV Austin stage)
12:15 Love Inks
2:30 Ringo Deathstarr
3:15 Silent Diane
4:00 The Young
In addition to the completely free lineup of 24 bands playing on THREE stages, we will also have complimentary drinks courtesy of HobNob Wines, the official wine parter of our entire week of FREE PARTIES at Hotel Vegan (check out HobNob's Facebook page for free music downloads), and a hosted bar courtesy of Sailor Jerry
Special thanks to all of our partners and sponsors for making this party possible - including Vox, Blackstar and Korg, our official backline partners, as well as ASCAP, HobNob Wines, NadaMoo!, Sailor Jerry and M for Montreal! And special thanks to GBH Design for making our awesome flyer!
This is the first full day at Hotel Vegan announced. 2/3 of the Wednesday lineup is HERE. Friday and Saturday coming shortly.
Male Bonding @ ATAS in 2009 (more by Leia Jospe)
The Male Bonding, Love Inks and Fort Lean show scheduled for Saturday night at Glasslands has been moved to Tuesday August 30th @ Cameo Gallery. The tour also hits Mercury Lounge on Monday. Updated dates below...
by Bill Pearis
DOWNLOAD: BNLX - Living in Exile (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: BNLX - Vaporize (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: BNLX - Dance Dance Dance (on the Radio) (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Stephen Malkmus & the Jicks - Senator (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Stephen Malkmus & the Jicks - Tigers (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Male Bonding - "Bones" (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Male Bonding - Tame the Sun (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: David Kilgour & the Heavy Eights - Diamond Mine (MP3)
I guess we'll start this week with Stephen Malkmus who is doing two in stores on Thursday: Academy Records in Williamsburg at 6pm and then Other Music at 9PM. His new album Mirror Traffic, as you may know, was produced by Beck. I'm not sure what that was supposed to connote (more acoustic guitars? L. Ron Hubbard references?) but it's a pretty typical Malkmus solo album with some tight pop songs ("Tigers," downloadable above, and "Stick Figures in Love") and maybe a little more focused and less jammy than he's been in a while. But not much less jammy.
I'm the guy that thought his first solo album was a step in the right direction and has been somewhat ambivalent by what's followed since. But they're always worth hearing. Malkmus and the now Weiss-less Jicks are on tour next month and all upcoming tour dates are at the bottom of this post, along with the video for "No One Is (As I Are Be)."
Voluminous and enigmatic Minneapolis duo BNLX are visiting this week, playing The Rock Shop tonight (8/24) and Pianos on Thursday (8/25). This is their third trip to NYC, and the first since releasing the 6th release in their quarterly EP series. It's description in typical BNLX corporate-speak:
BNLX commences the next phase in the BNLX First One Year Plan (extension two) with its sixth consecutive quarterly EP release of "music." These compositions combine rhythmically-expressed poetry in popular idiomatic vernacular ("rhymes") with pulsating percussive elements ("beats") and harmonic modulations/variations/transpositions (melody). The resulting unique juxtaposition of auditory and narrative elements can only be described as "music". Thematic topics on this release include IED's, event horizons, beards and banjos, and deposed royalty. "Vaporize" leads off the EP with a high-energy blast of high velocity psychedelic noise pop.Three of the four EP tracks are available to download at the top of this post. What I really like about BNLX is that they seem to be doing this for fun and it really translates to the songs, and to the listener. This is well-tread territory, but it's a pleasure to crank up loud. Or to go see live. BNLX are an aural (LOUD) and visual (strobes, smoke machines) assault in concert and it works. Go see 'em.
The Rock Shop show is with Delaware's Sky Drops; the Pianos show also has Jeane (who I finally saw last week, liked 'em), Phone Home and Ventilader.
Speaking of regimented release schedules, Violens have been releasing a digital single every month this year, the latest of which, "Through the Window," is my favorite so far. With a skittering drumbeat and delay-drenched arpeggiated guitars, it sounds a little like Kitchens of Distinction (if you remember that early '90s band). Violens will be playing a lot of their new material tonight (8/24) at Glasslands.
The rest of tonight's bill is also worth checking out. Dive is the new band from Zachary Cole Smith who used to play drums (and wear mom jeans) in Beach Fossils. (He's also played in Soft Black and with Darwin Deez.) The one track I've heard is definitely a bit Fossil-ized, but am curious to hear more and see what they're like live. Dive play again on September 1 at Shea Stadium with Caged Animals and Forest Fire.
Opening the Glasslands show is Philadelphia's psych-shoegazers Arc in Round. whose most recent EP is cacauphonous and captivating...and sound like they might be very good live.
Personal and the Pizzas are delivering in our area this weekend: Friday (8/26) at Maxwell's and Saturday (8/27) at Death by Audio. If you like good time Ramones style rock n' roll, and pizza (with extra cheese) you're gonna have a good time. I don't know what else to tell ya. There's video at the bottom of this post.
Lastly, we've got Male Bonding rolling into town: Glasslands on Saturday (8/27) and Mercury Lounge on Monday (8/29). The UK band's new album, Endless Now, is out next week and as mentioned before it moves away from the swampy sound of their debut into defiant mid-fi. Any more fidelity with melodic punk like this and you might start getting into Blink-182 territory. This album is as produced as it needs to be and is a pretty fun listen with just enough shoegaze nods to keep old guys like me interested. You can download two songs off it at the top of this post.
The band are on tour with Austin's Love Inks who are 180 degrees from Male Bonding's sound: gentle, minimal, croony. The jury is still out on their live show (my jury at least) but I do really like their album.
That's the main stuff I'm talking about this week. A few more worthy picks -- day by day -- are below.
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 24
Head to Pianos to catch dark and sexy ZAZA, who play with Australian group Sherlock's Daughter who are on an extended New York holiday, as well as My Best Fiend, Our Mountain, and Alak.
DOWNLOAD: Male Bonding - "Bones" (MP3)
Male Bonding at Bowery Ballroom in 2010 (more by Chris Gersbeck)
UK lo-fi rockers Male Bonding are releasing their followup to last year's debut, Nothing Hurts, this summer. The new LP, Endless Now, comes out on August 30 via Sub Pop. The band brought in producer John Agnello (Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr.) to help beef up their sound on the new album. Frankie Rose provided harmony vocals on the album, and the band also worked piano, cello, and mellotron into their songs. Frontman John Arthur Webb recently spoke to Pitchfork about the album's bigger sound:
It would suck to just fucking knock out lo-fi albums once a year. We're happy to be shaking that off. It's an easy way to hide-- a bunch of reverb and compression disguises a lot of things. It worked great for us on the first record but you have to try and explore the avenues that are open to you; we never could've paid to go into a studio before Sub Pop was involved.Check out the sound they're going for on the pop punk-charged track "Bones," which you can grab an MP3 of above. They haven't exactly abandoned lo-fi, though it is certainly less noisy than their debut. You can also watch an album trailer below.
That said, it wasn't really that long ago that we recorded the first record, so we haven't changed that much. It's not going to sound like Odd Future or anything.
Male Bonding go on a short North American tour in support of the album with the no-frills indie pop trio Love Inks. The tour hits NYC on August 27 at Glasslands and August 29 at Mercury Lounge. Tickets are on sale now for the Glasslands show and the Mercury show. After the North American tour, both bands will head out on their own European tours.
All tour dates and tracklist below...
The Feelies @ Purchase in May (more by Kellyann Petry)
today in NYC
* Warm Up @ PS1
* Gary Lucas @ Iridium Jazz
* The Feelies @ Maxwell's
* Very Be Careful @ Barbes
* First Saturday @ Brooklyn Museum
* The English Beat @ Irving Plaza
* Nobunny, TV Ghost @ Mercury Lounge
* TEETH, CSLSX (Fixed Party) @ Glasslands
* Banda Sinaloense de los Muertos @ Barbes
* Free Blood, God Bless America in 3D @ Coco 66
* Zion I & The Grouch, K-Salaam @ Brooklyn Bowl
* Joe McPhee, Ken Filiano, Lou Grassi @ The Stone
* The Music from Winter's Bone @ Highline Ballroom
* Pharoahe Monch, Baolji @ Weeksville Heritage Center
* Roy Ayers, The Jazz Mafia @ Central Park Summerstage
* Fatboy Slim (Dance Here Now Festival) @ Governors Island
* Tim Easton, Madison Square Gardeners @ Mercury Lounge
* Last Good Tooth, Molly Sweeney, Zachary Cale @ The Rock Shop
* Brazilian Aliens (mem Brazilan Girls), DJ Andy Rourke @ Union Pool
* Kromosom, Mundo Muerto, Porkeria, Perdition, Gash @ The Charleston
* Beach Fossils, Puro Instinct, Big Troubles, Regal Degal @ 285 Kent
* John Hebert's Sounds of Love (The Music of Charles Mingus) @ The Stone
* Dream Diary, Bad Indians, Haunted Leather, Dutch Treat @ Death By Audio
* Sore Eros, Psychic Reality, Easter Vomit, Jonas Reinhardt (DJ) @ Shea Stadium
* The Waivers, The National Reserve, Graham Brice, Fletcher Johnson @ Bruar Falls
* DJ Pierre, Beautiful Swimmers, Delicate Steve, Protect-U, Zoovox (Warm Up) @ P.S.1
* Shellshag, Fiasco, Chicken & Whiskey, Unstoppable Death Machines, Sweet Tooth @ Silent Barn
* My Summer, Bad Town, Holidays In London, The Woulda Coulda Shouldas @ The Studio at Webster Hall
* The Streamers (Oasis vs. Blur), Beautiful Day (U2 tribute), Violator (Depeche Mode tribute) @ The Bell House
The Hairs play an afternoon show at The Seaport on Sunday. That and more in This Week In Indie.
fireworks are Monday.
New Love Inks video for "Too Wild" below...
by Bill Pearis
Love Inks @ SXSW (more)
Can you feel the love tonight? I can though mainly because we've got two bands with that in their name playing tonight. Though not in the same place. First is Austin's Love Inks who, as previously mentioned, are playing NYC for the first time. Tonight (6.2) they're at Glasslands with Rewards, Slowdance, and Celestial Shore. They'll also play Tuesday (6/7) at Pianos with Elastic Summer, Monokino and more.
Love Inks' debut, E.S.P., came out last month on City Slang and, as I wrote previously, it's a pretty little understated thing. Minimalist instrumentation -- guitar, bass, drum machine -- that doesn't get in the way of the band's main asset: singer Sherry LeBlanc's honeyed vocals. (In the same timbre as Beth Cosatino.) E.S.P. is what I like to call Sunday Morning music (Galaxie 500, Belle & Sebastian), and a fine example at that. You can check out "Blackeye" at the top of this post.
Tonight's Glasslands show is pretty solid all around. I've been wanting to check out Slowdance for some time. You can download two tracks from their website and both are pretty good: atmospheric rock that is, and yes, danceable. (Though maybe not slowdanceable.) Rewards, as you may remember, is Aaron Pfanning who was in Chairlift; and Celestial Shore are channeling some serious Brian Wilson vibes in a slightly mathy kind of way.
The other "love" band tonight is Portland trio Lovers (not to be confused with Lovvers), who are at Cake Shop with Household and Skeleton Head (They played last night at Union Hall...anybody go?). Lovers' most recent album, Dark Light, came out last fall on Badman Recordings and you can download "Figure 8" from it at the top of this post. It's a pretty good representation of the rest of the records: throbbing synths and big choruses. The BPMs are a little to slow to call it dance music, but it's definitely got a groove. Mood music you can move to.
You should get there early for local trio Household who I caught at Bruar Falls a couple weeks ago and really liked. They're in the Lilliput/Raincoats school of minimalist postpunk (or more recently Brilliant Colors or Yellowfever). No releases yet, but Household have a handful of streamable songs on their website which were produced by Andrew Raposo (who plays bass in various DFA-related bands). Definitely worth a listen.
Hospitality @ Pianos in Feb (more)
What else? After what seems like an awfully long time (two years plus), Hospitality are finally getting around to putting out an album. I think it's pretty much done, so hopefully we'll see that sooner than later. In the meantime, the trio are playing a whole bunch in June, starting Friday night (6/3) at Cake Shop where they'll share the bill with country folk act Numbers and Letters, and Edelweiss who kind of sound like first-album Foals and are not to be confused with the shortlived early '90s novelty act of the same name. The show is FREE.
Hospitality also play the final date of my Sound Bites series at the Fulton Stall Market on July 17. All upcoming shows are at the bottom of this post. More Fulton Stall Market (Seaport) shows are listed HERE.
TSOOL @ SXSW (more)
And last but certainly not least, the mighty Soundtrack of Our Lives arrive from Sweden this weekend, playing Le Poisson Rouge on Sunday (6/5) and The Bell House on Monday (6.6). If you enjoy '60s/'70s style rock, there are few bands that do it as well as TSOOL, and certainly not many who put on a better live show. I wrote of their 2009 show at Music Hall of Williamsburg:
A nearly two-hour show of guitar windmills, endless stick twirls, karate kicks, ponderous, psychedelic lyrics and massive riffs. You could watch The Soundtrack of Our Lives and spend the whole time picking apart the references: The Who, Stones, Pink Floyd, Love, Spirit, Faces, Beatles, etc. But to do so is to miss the point of TSOOL, who distill everything that is great about rock's classic late '60s / early '70s era into one incredible band. And an even better live show. Seriously, these guys knock it out of the park every time.The band have just released a best-of compilation, Golden Greats, which is a fine introduction to the band's catalogue to date (five albums, all doubles) and really showcases what this band does so well. But live is where they make you a believer. TSOOL are promising wildly different setlists for the two shows, and superfans can buy a discounted $35 ticket that gets you into both. These guys love to play, and usually do two-hour sets so... be prepared.
Opening the Le Poisson Rouge show are The Mommyheads ('90s era indie rockers who pop up now and again), and at The Bell House is Montreal's sitar-fueled Elephant Stone (an especially inspired pairing). TSOOL are also on Last Call With Carson Daly tonight (6/2).
That's the main stuff this week. A few more recommended shows, day-by-day, are below
THURSDAY, JUNE 2
Some of you may remember The Barracudas who led the UK surf-rock/garage revival in the early '80s. (If not, there's a video below.) Singer Jeremy Gluck has formed a new line-up of the group and they're playing Union Hall tonight. Don't be confused with Georgia's Barreracudas on the bill as well. We can only hope they'll hll play together as The Barrarerrarerracudadas.
by Bill Pearis
DOWNLOAD: Love Inks - Blackeye (MP3)
Austin trio Love Inks are gearing up for their big tour of the U.S., including stops at Glasslands (June 2) and Cake Shop (June 3). The Glasslands show is with Rewards, Slowdance, and Celestial Shore. All Love Inks tour dates are below.
Love Inks' debut album, E.S.P., is out next week. It's a pretty little understated thing. Short, simple songs songs driven by an spare drum machine beats, with Sherry LeBlanc's warm, inviting voice right there up front. I've seen comparisons to Young Marble Giants but Love Inks are nowhere as minimal as that. The album is, however, a lovely Sunday Morning kind of album.
It's a sound that seems much more suited to intimate venues like the ones they're playing on this tour than the than the more free-range circumstances I caught at SXSW this year. For a taste of the album, you can download "Blackeye" at the top of this post and watch the video for "Leather Glove" below.
by Bill Pearis
Pete & the Pirates @ SXSW Convention Center
"This is the weirdest gig we've ever played. I feel like we're in Las Vegas and you are all eating dinner." Pete & the Pirates singer Thom Sanders was remarking on the weirdness of playing the Dot Com Day Stage at 1PM in the Austin Convention Center. Folding chairs were set up near the stage, there were couches around the periphery, more the kind of place where some CEO reveals annual earnings than hearing some sprightly indie pop.
Yet Pete & the Pirates made it work, 'cause they're so damn good. (The bloody mary I was drinking probably also helped.) They charmed the pants off the room. We got a smattering of songs from their first album, and a few from One Thousand Pictures which is due out in May. This was a great way to start my final day of SXSW.
From there it was off to our final day party of the week, which we were throwing with our friends at the M for Montreal festival. The line-up was pretty sick, if I do say, with !!!, Weekend, Austra, Braids, PS I Love You, Braids, Trail of Dead, Owen Pallet and more. The weather had cooled off a bit making both the outside stage at Barbarella and Swan Dive more comfortable than Friday and it was a great afternoon of music. Highlights for me: Versus, who I'd seen the night before, a kick-ass set from !!! who I don't think I've seen play in three years, an abbreviated but great Suuns, and another killer set from Weekend. (Look for an interview with Weekend soon.) I wish I'd gotten there in time to see Montreal's quirky, funky Misteur Valaire who I heard were the perfect lead-in to !!! (editor's note: they were!).