Entries tagged with: Peter Hook
Mute signees New Order (who no longer count Peter Hook as a member) have now launched a Joy Division Twitter account, but apparently no one told Peter Hook and he doesn't sound too happy about that. As you can see above, New Order tweeted, "Just set up our new twitter page @joydivision," and Peter responded not long after, "Thanks for telling me.. As a member of @joydivision it would have been nice to have been informed." Drama! New Order have yet to reply to Peter.
by Bill Pearis
Peter Hook is continuing to work his way through the New Order catalog, touring two albums at a time. This fall he and his band The Light will be performing 1985's Low-Life and 1986's Brotherhood in full. They'll also be their own opener, doing a set of Joy Division songs to start the evening. Those dates include a stop in NYC at Irving Plaza on November 7. Tickets to the NYC show go on sale Friday (3/7) at 10 AM with a Music Geeks presale starting Thursday (3/6) at 10 AM (password is "musicgeeks"). All dates are listed below.
As someone who thinks Low-Life is New Order's best album, I have to admit getting to hear deep cuts "Sunrise," "Sooner Than You Think" and "Face Up" (and Brotherhood songs "Weirdo" and "Way of Life"), which New Order haven't played in eons, is kinda appealing. Hook's plowing through his ex-band's discography is getting weird, though. When he toured Movement and Power, Corruption & Lies last year, those were early records where the through-line to Joy Division was still obvious. But these mid-'80s records, New Order had fully established their own identity and it's really hard to think of these songs without Bernard Sumner, Gillian Gilbert and Stephen Morris.
To get a good look at New Order (who play the Tibet House benefit soon) in this mid-'80s creative peak, you can watch concert video Pumped Full of Drugs, filmed in Tokyo in 1985, which is pretty great. Stream it, with the list of tour dates, below...
photos by Cory Dewald
The Replacements / Pixies
For a band that thrived on an anything-goes approach to performing, the Riot Fest show ran with relative precision, with barely a pause between songs. Despite tossing the clock, [Paul] Westerberg and the boys finished precisely at 10:30 p.m. Everything on the set list was at least 23 years old. But the 25-song, 75-minute performance brimmed with energy and heart. Nostalgia it was, but there was nothing formulaic or phoned-in about it.Chicago's Riot Fest (the second of three Riot Fests happening this year) wrapped up this past Sunday (9/15) with sets from The Replacements, Pixies, Rocket From the Crypt, Bob Mould, Mission of Burma, Quicksand, Touche Amore, Peelander-Z, Brand New, Best Coast and more. One set of pictures from that day is in this post, and a second set with more bands
Looking like thrift-shop dandies with their splashy mismatched clothes and spiky hair, Westerberg and Stinson cracked jokes, blew a few lyrics, and laughed like they were just banging out tunes in their garage. They stayed loose but kept the pace brisk, with plenty of help from Freese's dynamic drumming and the bow-tied Minehan's concise lead guitar.
Westerberg's voice sounded appropriately rough and gritty on the opening "Takin' a Ride," the first song on the first Replacements album, "Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take out the Trash" (1981), and the sneering "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out." But he also found the tenderness in a song ("Androgynous") that rhymes "kewpie dolls" with "urine stalls." [Chicago Tribune]
As mentioned, Peter Hook and his band The Light have moved on from performing Joy Division albums in full to now doing the first two New Order albums, 1981's Movement and 1983's Power, Corruption and Lies. He actually sang lead on two Movement songs, so maybe it's slightly less outrageous as it first sounds. He's just announced a North American tour of that which stops in NYC on September 13 at Webster Hall. Tickets for that show go on sale Wednesday (5/22) at noon.
All Peter Hook & the Light tour dates are listed below.
by Bill Pearis
"Just seen 'New Order' on Kimmel.. Beam me up Scotty... Power, Corruption & Enterprise." - @Peter_Hook1
New Order on Jimmy Kimmel Live 4/16/2013
In between their two weekends at Coachella, Mancunian postpunk legends New Order played Jimmy Kimmel Live last night (4/16), performing "I'll Stay With You" from their "new" album, Lost Sirens, as well as their 1986 classic single "Bizarre Love Triangle" and you can watch both below. (Aside: I am a strong believer in "Don't wear the t-shirt of the band you're going to see at their show," and that rule should be extended to "Don't wear your own band's shirt onstage. Or ever.") As mentioned, New Order will be in NYC with Holy Ghost! on July 24 for a show at Williamsburg Park and tickets go on AEG presale Thursday (4/18) at 10 AM with the regular on-sale happening Friday (4/19) at noon.
While he's not in the band anymore, former bassist Peter Hook was watching from home and couldn't help chiming in on Twitter, which you can read above. (What is that about Glass Houses and throwing stones?) As you may remember, Hook and his band, The Light, are currently playing the entirety of New Order's first two albums on tour. While he hasn't brough Movement and Power, Corruption & Lies to North America (yet), he is releasing a live recording of The Light's first performance of the albums which happened in January 2013 at Manchester Cathedral. It will be available April 22 and you can stream its versions of "Cathedral" and "Cries & Whispers" below.
by Bill Pearis
New Order's new album, Lost Sirens, consists of tracks from the same recording sessions as 2005's Waiting for the Siren's Call. The record was originally supposed to come out the next year, but bassist Peter Hook got in a tiff with the rest of the band and quit. Seven years later, the tracks will see the light of day on Tuesday (1/15). The eight tracks are likely the last New Order tracks to feature Hook's signature bass playing (and it's not on all of them). Musically, it's pretty good and more dancey than either of New Order's last two albums. For fans of frontman Bernard Sumner's unique lyrical gifts, there are some real gems to be heard here.
You can stream the whole of Lost Sirens over at Rolling Stone.
The rest of New Order were here in October.
As mentioned, Joy Division/New Order bassist Peter Hook is giving his book, Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division, a North American release on January 29 and is promoting it with a book launch in NYC at DUMBO art space/bookstore Powerhouse Arena on January 28, where he'll be in conversation with PItchfork's Brandon Stosuy.
Peter has since added another book talk in NYC happening on January 29 at Strand Books, where he'll be in conversation with New Yorker music critic Sasha Frere-Jones. To attend you either have to purchase a copy of the book from Strand or buy a $10 gift card. The event runs from 7-8 PM.
Tonight (1/9) at The Strand, Ben Gibbard joins author Ron Currie, Jr. for an "evening of conversation and music."
Video of Peter Hook performing with Joy Division back in the day is below...
by Bill Pearis
The demystification process starts with Hook's portrayal of himself as a laddish delinquent who, thunderstruck by punk rock, spontaneously decides to form a band with Salford schoolfriend Bernard Sumner, and only develops his distinctively high, melodic bass-playing style to counteract the shortcomings of a cheap amp. Even as he lays bare Curtis's juvenile side, Hook seems somewhat in awe of the singer: the charismatic highbrow with the arty Belgian girlfriend and the love of Ballard and Burroughs.Peter Hook's Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division, a first-person account of his first band, came out back in October 2012 in the UK but will just now see a North American release on January 29. The bassist will promote its release with a book launch at DUMBO art space/bookstore Powerhouse Arena on January 28 that will include a conversation with Pitchfork's Brandon Stousy, as well as "DJ Sportcoat will be on the turntables, and drinks will be served." The event starts at 7 PM and is free.
There's a lovely image of Curtis in the studio, assembling his brutal, beautiful lyrics by rummaging through a carrier bag full of scraps of paper. Hook and Sumner are cast as comic relief, constantly overruled by belligerent producer Martin Hannett ("a lunatic wizard") and forbidden from speaking in interviews by manager Rob Gretton. "He didn't do it to create a mystique around the band but because he thought we were a couple of cretins." - [The Guardian]
This is Hook's second book, the first was The Hacienda: How Not to Run a Club, an extremely entertaining account of the Manchester club the band co-owned with Factory records and became ground zero for the late-'80s UK rave scene. Meanwhile, Hook continues to regurgitate his musical past with his band The Light. Having toured the Joy Division albums, he's gearing up to bring New Order's first two albums, Movement and Power, Corruption and Lies, on the road as well. While this may seem even more ill-advised than touring the Joy Division albums, Movement actually features Hook on lead vocals on "Dreams Never End" and "Doubts Even Here." No North American dates as of yet. And as you may know, New Order are going on without him, having played NYC back in October.
Book launch flyer below...
by Bill Pearis
New Order, 2012 Edition
New Order have just announced a Fall tour of North America, including a New York date at Roseland on October 18. No on-sale date has been posted yet, but you can (like we will be) check Ticketmaster for updates.
This will be New Order's first NYC show since their Hammerstein Ballroom show in 2005. As you may be aware, this version of New Order does not feature bassist Peter Hook who is slightly irked that the band are getting someone else to perform his signature bass parts. However, this will mark the return of NO founding guitarist/keyboardist Gillian Gilbert who took a leave of absence from the group in 2001 to care for her and drummer Stephen Morris' child.
Hook is probably not too excited that New Order will play the 2012 Summer Olympics Closing Ceremony alongside Blur and The Specials in London on August 12.
Check out a recent interview with Gilbert, Morris and frontman Bernard Sumner via YouTube below.
Meanwhile, despite saying how it's not the same New Order without him, he continues to tour with his band The Light playing Joy Division albums in full. He's also publishing a book about his years with the influential post-punk group, tilted Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division, which will be out in October. Says Hook:
It's very strange. Over the years Joy Division has become a huge part of music culture. A lot of people think they know what happened. But they don't. Anyone who's ever written a book or made a film about Joy Division, unless they were sat in that van or car with us, they don't know anything about it. Me, Barney, Steve, Ian, Rob, Twinny, Terry and Dave. Only us lot know what really happened...I supposed in the end it's almost too easy to look back and say what you should have done, how you might have changed things. How you might have done things differently and ultimately stopped Ian from doing what he did. What's harder, what's much, much harder, is to accept what you actually did do. Accept what you did do, and live with it.All New Order 2012 tour dates are listed below.
Aaron Kenyon with a current project, Djam Karet
Aaron Kenyon, a founding member of Man is The Bastard, has weighed in on the controversial appropriation of the iconic skull logo by Akron/Family, and his views differ from that of his ex-bandmates. Check out Kenyon's statement below.
If you missed it, Man is the Bastard member Eric Wood initially made his thoughts known via Facebook which in turn led to ex-member Israel Lawrence weighing in and a public response from Akron/Family as well.
In semi-related news, Disney will no longer carry a highly-controversial t-shirt that molds the iconic Joy Division Unknown Pleasures album cover into a Mickey Mouse silhouette. Band members fell on both sides of the fence on this issue, with Peter Hook commenting to the LA Times that it was "flattering" and drummer Stephen Morris commenting that it was "horrible" and he was "quite angry".
Aaron Kenyon's statement on Man in the Bastard, below..
The above photo was taken of Peter Hook while he was just in NYC and visiting East Village Radio. The below video is Peter playing Joy Division song "Atmosphere" and STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE TO YELL AT AUDIENCE MEMBERS at his 'Closer' show at Gramercy Theatre. Setlist down there too...
1/4 of Joy Division (aka Peter Hook) performing as Joy Division in Brest, 9th March 2011
"I first heard about this on Monday and it has taken me completely by surprise! Everyone knows that NEW ORDER without PETER HOOK is like QUEEN without FREDDIE MERCURY, U2 without THE EDGE, SOOTY without SWEEP!Maybe Peter Hook will comment on it on Tuesday (9/13) at Gramercy Theater as part of his tour playing songs by Joy Division. (irony?)
On a more serious note, I do not understand the decision THE OTHER THREE have taken. I wish they had approached me first. I do not agree with the methods they have used and feel it would have been courteous and professional to have spoken to me in advance of the announcements. It is very sad.
Love PETER HOOK x Sept 2011
by Bill Pearis
Despite a general consensus that it's a not the greatest idea or use of his time, Peter Hook and his current band The Light continue to tour the Joy Division catalogue and will be in New York next Tuesday (9/13) for a show at Gramercy Theatre, a show that was originally supposed to be at Irving Plaza. Where last year's tour concentrated on Unknown Pleasures, this time the focus will be on Joy Division's second, final album, Closer. Some dates on this tour will still get Unknown Pleasures, though, and all tour dates are below indicating which album Peter Hook & the Light will be performing.
Back in May, Peter Hook & the Light released an EP of new versions Joy Division songs, including the unrecorded "Pictures in My Mind" plus three other songs with lead vocals by Rowetta who sang with Happy Mondays in the '90s and later placed fourth on the first UK season of Simon Cowell's X Factor. Videos for The Light's versions of "Atmosphere" (with Rowetta) and "Pictures in My Mind" (with Hook taking lead vocals) are at the bottom of this post.
Meanwhile, the rest of New Order are reuniting without Peter Hook, and that includes keyboardist/guitarist Gillian Gilbert who hasn't played with the band since the '90s. Gilbert was a part of the recording of 2001's Get Ready but bowed out of touring to take care of her and husband (and New Order drummer) Stephen Morris' daughter. Replacing Hook will be Tom Chapman, who plays in Bernard Summner's Bad Lieutenant. I wonder how low he slings his bass? This version of New Order play October 17 at Ancienne Belgique in Brussels and October 18 at La Bataclan in Paris and both shows are benefits for ailing friend of the band Michael Shamburg who produced many of the band's '80s videos. Maybe they'll stick to songs from 1992's Republic which doesn't features much of Hook's signature bass style.
Speaking of Gilbert, she and Morris (who made records as The Other Two in the early '90s) have released a new EP, Swing, under the name Gillian and Stephen on their own Hard Cheese label, consisting of house-y instrumentals originally conceived and written as a soundtrack to Anna Blessman & Peter Saville's exhibition between October 2010 and January 2011 at the Gallerie Frac Champagne-Ardenne in France. Saville designed the sleeve.
You can stream a track off the Swing EP at the bottom of this post, which is also where you can find those Peter Hook & the Light videos and tour dates.
Much to the displeasure of many, Peter Hook and his band The Light performed Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures on tour last year. This year, they'll do the same with Closer, though they will still perform Unknown Pleasures in select locations. The North American tour kicks off in September and hits NYC on September 13 at Irving Plaza, where they will play Closer. Tickets for that show go on sale Friday (7/8) at noon. All dates are listed below.
In May, Peter Hook and the Light released their debut EP 1102/2011 on Hacienda records. The EP features three Joy Division tracks with lead vocals by The Light member Rowetta, who Hook first collaborated with when she recorded vocals for his other band Freebass. The fourth and last song on the EP is an unfinished Joy Division track, "Pictures In My Mind," with lead vocals performed by Hook. You can purchase a download of the EP here
Check out the video for "Pictures In My Mind" below along the EP album art, tracklist, and all tour dates....
Peter Hook @ the Philly show on 12/2/10 (King Taco)
As a tour repeatedly billed as "Peter Hook Presents Unknown Pleasures," it wholly delivered on the premise.That glowing review (?!?) comes from the 12/1 Peter Hook & The Light show at 9:30 Club in DC, part of the same Unknown Pleasures tour that hit Webster Hall two days later (12/3), and Boston the night after that. Was it actually that good? The eight-date tour continues in Portland tonight (12/9), and ends at Mezzanine in San Francisco on 12/10.
The New Order track-free set featured note-nailing impressions of Joy Division's "No Love Lost," "Leaders of Men," "Glass," and "Digital," before covering their most famous LP from front to back. All the pleasures you'd expect of Pleasures were present -- the punchy, sumptuous intro of "New Dawn Fades," guitars searing during "Shadowplay," the jagged moves of "She's Lost Control." More fleshed out than the record, even.
Hook couldn't quite mimic Curtis' authoritative vocals, but his calls were crisp and competently matched each song's tone. He particularly savored the big repeated yells that close so many Joy Division songs. They show his animated side just waiting to break out.
"Transmission" was feisty, too, which is to be expected, but then the band filled "Love Will Tear Us Apart" with an ecstatic thunder the original never touched.
Hook warmly said, "Thank you and good night. God bless you all," before the whole gang left for good, removing any doubt that he shouldn't be taking this material on. Appearances from Sumner and Morris would have been nice, yes, but no cash-in would have been so devoted to its source material. Hook didn't try to be Curtis, which was the best path he could take. -[Spin]
As Vice points out in a post entitled "SOMEONE STOP PETER HOOK" (a more popular opinion than SPIN's), a crowd member handled the vocals on "Ceremony" in Boston. Even worse, according to "Fuc 51" on Twitter, "Hook announced he had been paid $10,000" by the guy. We haven't fact checked the money transaction, but you can watch a video of the number, along with some videos from Webster Hall, below...
by Bill Pearis
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The Radio Dept
After a long weekend of overeating and couchdwelling and Kanye overload, I hope you are all nice and rested up for what is a pretty great week of shows. Here's a bunch of stuff I recommend.
Sweden's The Radio Dept are playing two NYC shows ahead of their first-ever real tour of the U.S. and Canada this week. All dates are listed below, but the NYC shows happen at Knitting Factory Tuesday night (11/30) and Bowery Ballroom on Wednesday (12/01). Both are sold out. This will be the band's first visit to our area since the 2009 NYC Popfest.
It's been a busy year for the somewhat unprolific Scandinavian trio. In addition to their fantastic third album, Clinging to a Scheme, which came out back in April, The Radio Dept. just released a new EP, Never Follow Suit, which takes the dub-heavy album title cut (also on the album) and makes it even dubbier (download both versions above), plus adds three new blissed out tracks.
The band are also finally gathering up all their non-LP singles, b-sides and EPs for a double-disc compilation, Passive Aggressive: Singles 2002-2010 which comes out early next year. A lot of their great early EPs are out of print (like 2003's Pulling Our Weight) and it'll be nice to have them all in one place. Double vinyl too for those with turntables. With music spanning from their first single through tracks off Clinging to a Scheme, it makes for a nice overview of the band...but still holds together really well. Little has changed in The Radio Dept.'s sound over the last eight years, but they are one of the best examples of "don't fix what ain't broke."
Abd if you're going to one of the two Radio Dept. shows, be sure to get there early to catch Montreal's Braids, who I just saw play in their hometown.
PS I Love You @ Pop Montreal (more)
While on the Subject of Bands I Saw Play in Canada Recently, one of biggest hits of this year's M for Montreal festival were PS I Love You:
Most everyone seemed in agreement that PS I Love You were the best band of the night. The duo from Kingston, Ontario are an indie Mutt and Jeff, kind of like the Pixies with a new wave back-end. Yelper-guitarist Paul Salnier actually pulls triple duty live, playing bass parts too via a Moog bass pedal setup which is pretty cool. Drummer Ben Nelson plays heavy on the high hat a la New Order's Stephen Morris which gives their songs danceability. Their record, Meet Me at the Muster Station, is good but, live, PS I Love You are a force.Maybe you saw PS I Love You at one of their many CMJ shows. They're back, playing The Rock Shop on Friday (12/03) and Pianos on Saturday (12/04) and both shows are with Florida's Holiday Shores. You should definitely catch them this time around. Two tracks from their debut album are at the top of this post. They're also giving away single "Starfield" over at their label's website through 12/02, so go get it (you gotta give them your info in return). All PS I Love You tour dates are at the bottom of this post.
Also visiting us this weekend are Los Angeles foursome Warpaint, who play The Studio @ Webster Hall on Wednesday (12/01) and Music Hall of Williamsburg on Thursday (12/02). Their debut for Rough Trade, The Fool, has gotten mostly good reviews. It's a record that has really grown on me in the last month, hitting that sweet spot between dustbowl new age goth and early-'80s post punk. Not that those are mutually exclusive terms. Spindly guitars, groovy basslines, complex percussion, dreamlike vocals... it's somewhere betweeen Haena-era Banshees and Bat For Lashes with just a smidge of Stevie Nicks. Which is a good thing if you ask me. If Warpaint aren't on the next Twilight soundtrack somebody's not doing their job.
The band are good live too, with an especially nimble rhythm section. And if you didn't like the album the first time you heard it, I urge you go give it another chance to sink in. Check out "Undertow" above, and there are a couple live performance videos further down this post along with all upcoming Warpaint tour dates.
Badly Drawn Boy
Like a lot of people, I loved the first Badly Drawn Boy album The Hour of The Bewilderbeast, which rightly won the 2000 Mercury Music Prize (at least given its competition). Damon Gough then went to Los Angeles and lost his way almost immediately after. Good songs here and there, yes, but none of his subsequent albums have been anywhere near as solid or as sonically interesting as Bewilderbeast. Yet I always give the new album a chance.
I'm happy to report that the vibe of BDB's new album -- the mouthful of a title It's What I'm Thinking Pt. 1: Photographing Snowflakes -- returns some of his debut's homespun charm. It's his first since parting ways with EMI and starting his own label and you can sense the freedom this has brought across its 10 tracks. (Parts 2 and 3 are due at some point in the future.) There may not be anything as immediately catchy as "Everybody's Stalking", but you can tell this is music Gough wanted to make, not music he thought someone else wanted to hear. It's a nice album. Give up your email address and you can download a few new songs at BDB's website.
Badly Drawn Boy plays Le Poisson Rouge this Friday (12/03) and Saturday (12/04). Badly Drawn Boy shows have always been a bit of a crapshoot. Shows are notoriously long, ramshackle affairs with extended noodling, rambling stage banter and other digressions. Gough is the only Mercury Prize winner I have ever seen to actually take audience requests, including other people's songs he has never played. (Think twice before you yell "Freebird!" at a BDB show, you may end up regretting it). But there are always moments of brilliance in there too that make you glad you went, which is I guess Gough in a nutshell.
That's the main stuff this week. A few more shows of note, day-by-day, of things not covered above follows:
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1
Garagey soul band Fergus & Geronimo, who recently relocated here from Texas, headline a great night of music at Glasslands, that also features another bunch of recent transplants, former Arizonans The Young Friends. Also on the bill: Little Gold and We Are Country Mice.
Denver duo Tennis play Mercury Lounge, their first shows since a wave of hype packed Glasslands and Cake Shop back in August. Nice folks, but take away all that reverb that coats their recordings (as they do live) and the songs aren't quite as magical. The night's line-up is pretty good overall, with Family Portrait, Miracles of Modern Science and La Big Vic. Tennis also open for The Walkmen (and a slimmed-down School of Seven Bells) at Terminal 5 the next night.
After visa issues forced Bernard Sumner project Bad Lieutenant to reschedule their first Webster Hall date, followed by a forced cancellation of their US dates in April due to volcanos, it's looking more likely that ex-New Order/Joy Division bandmate Peter Hook will appear at the NYC venue first.
Peter Hook and his band The Light will hit the road for a string of US dates including Webster Hall on December 3rd to perform (much like Deerhoof/Xiu Xiu did recently) all of Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures. Ticket info is forthcoming.
It's not the first time that Hooky has roped out the classic LP for a string of dates, as the 30th anniversary of Ian Curtis's death provided an impetus for a batch of UK dates:
"I went to see Ian's grave... - it was such a beautiful day I thought I'd go and say hello to him and see how he was," he explained. "It's really odd after all these years when you go and do something like that, you see all these tributes [at the grave] and it's really nice."Full tour dates and a ton of video from their recent UK dates are below...
Hook added: "Now some people will say, like they did about this show, that you shouldn't do it and then a lot of people are thinking that you should do it. So it was nice that we had a club full of people tonight who think we should be doing it and the others can just fuck off." -[NME]
by Bill Pearis
Bad Lieutenant, the band Bernard Sumner formed after New Order officially split three years ago, will make their New York debut at Webster Hall on November 21 -- tickets are on American Express pre-sale Wednesday, with general sale starting Friday (10/9). And according to Sumner in a Rolling Stone interview, Bad Lieutenant will also open for all four of Pixies' Doolittle shows at Hammerstein Ballroom that same week, though there has yet to be any official confirmation.
The band's debut album, Never Cry Another Tear, is out this week digitally and will be available in physical form next week. The line-up includes guitarists Phil Cunningham, who replaced founding member Gillian Gilbert in 2001, and Jake Evans who sings lead on a few of Never Cry Another Tear's songs. Live, Bad Lieutenant also features New Order drummer Stephen Morris, with Thom Chapman on bass. Sumner talked to Pitchfork about the new group: