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The New Pornographer's great new album, Brill Bruisers, is out today on Matador and if you haven't dug into it yet, you can stream it via Rdio. The band will be in NYC next week to play The Late Show with David Letterman on Wednesday, September 3. They'll be sticking around the Times Square area the next night to play a special title-appropriate show: The Brill Building on September 4. That, of course, in the '50s and '60s was home to some of the greatest pop songwriters of all time (Goffin and King, Leiber and Stoller, Neil Diamond, Paul Simon and more). For a chance to get in the tiny space, follow NPR or The New Pornographers on Twitter. (They're doing trivia questions as we speak.) NPR will also have video and audio from the show up afterwards.

September 4 is busy day for big bands playing tiny shows, with Interpol at Bowery Ballroom as well. The New Pornographers will be back in NYC on November 17 at Hammerstein Ballroom with The Pains of Being Pure at Heart (tickets).

New Porn

The New Pornographers' new album, Brill Bruisers, comes out next week (8/26) via Matador, and it can now be streamed ahead of its release date on iTunes Radio.

Their upcoming tour hits NYC on November 17 at Hammerstein Ballroom, which (like most dates), is with The Pains of Being Pure at Heart. There's also a Detroit show with Perfect Pussy and Pity Sex.

List of dates and a video from the LP, below...

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Move over, James Murphy. The indie rock coffee competition is getting more crowded. In conjunction with their new album, Brill Bruisers, The New Pornographers have partnered with Intelligentsia Coffee on a limited edition signature blend called Brill Brew. Says bandleader AC Newman:

As absurd as it may seem for us to have a signature blend, I think it is important that there is some sort of marker, some flag planted in the earth, so that whoever walks into Intelligentsia, whoever drinks this, will know: 'The New Pornographers really really loved coffee.'
A 12oz bag of Brill Brew is $19.95 and comes with a download card for the new album. What does Brill Brew taste like? Stephen Morrissey (not that one)of Intelligentsia Coffee says:
After hearing The New Pornographers visit our coffee bars when they're in town, we invited them to choose an exclusive lot to call their own in celebration of their new album, Brill Bruisers. Carl tasted samples with us in the garden of our Chelsea shop in New York and chose a Kenya coffee grown by Harrison Kiongo Miti. Flavors of mango, nectarine and green apple shine in this cheerful and sweet coffee.
For those not near an Intelligentsia store, Brill Brew can be ordered online. It and the album will be available August 26.

Perhaps The New Pornographers will be selling it at their merch table on tour too? They play November 19 at Hammerstein Ballroom with openersThe Pains of Being Pure at Heart. Tickets are still available.

While its brewing, check out the "War on the East Coast" video below...

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New Pornographers

Sounds like show bookers in Detroit are definitely amusing themselves!

The Detroit show is September 6th. Most of New Porn's tour is later in the fall, and with The Pains of Being Pure at Heart.

The New Pornographers declare "War on the East Coast" in post-apocalyptic new video (watch)

by Bill Pearis

War on the East Coast

The New Pornagraphers have just released the video for "War on the East Coast" from their forthcoming Brill Bruisers album (8/25, Matador). The video was directed by Thom Glunt and takes the title literally, droping some slo-mo The Purge-style mayhem across LA (subbing effectively for North Brooklyn) as Dan Bejar and AC Newman walk cooly through it all. It's a Bejar song -- and a good one -- but Newman handles the lip-syching. Says Carl:

We were going for some mid nineties second tier brit pop attitude. In the past, I've never really wanted to be in the video. But with this, we wanted to have fun and fully be IN the video.
Enjoy the single-take destruction that is "War on the East Coast" below.

The band's fall tour hits NYC on November 19 at Hammerstein Ballroom with openers The Pains of Being Pure at Heart. Tickets are still available.

Video below...

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treasure island

Treasure Island Music Fest returns for its eighth edition on October 18 & 19 in San Francisco. This year's initial lineup has been announce and includes 2014's festival circuit MVPs Outkast, plus Massive Attack, Alt-J, TV on the Radio, Janelle Monae, The New Pornographers, and many more. Tickets will go on-sale Thursday, June 19th at 10 AM PDT.

Initial lineup below...

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As mentioned, The New Pornographers have a new album, Brill Bruisers, coming out in August and they're playing NYC's Hammerstein Ballroom on November 17 (tickets just went on sale). If you'd like to hear the dulcet tones of frontman AC Newman's voice sooner than that, he'll be the musical guest at Night Train with Wyatt Cenac this Monday (6/15) at Littlefield. The lineup also includes the very funny and increasingly popular Chris Gethard, the funny and talented Kate Berlant, SNL cast member Brooks Wheelan, and Sheng Wang. Tickets (a mere $5) are on sale now.

If you haven't heard the title track to Brill Bruisers yet, stream that below.

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The 2014 lineup of Austin festival Fun Fun Fun Fest, happening NOV 7 . 8 & 9 at Auditorium Shores, is here. In the poster above and listed below....

Like FYF Fest, they've got a Blood Brothers reunion show.

This is also Austin's show on the growing Failure reunion tour.

Ditto for emo vets Mineral

So much more greatness listed below....

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Riot Fest

Riot Fest is happening in Toronto, Chicago and Denver again this year, and the lineup for Toronto was just announced. It happens on September 6 & 7 and features The National, Flaming Lips, Social Distortion, Death Cab for Cutie, Death From Above 1979, Brand New, Paul Weller, Stars, Metric, The Head and the Heart, Tokyo Police Club, The New Pornographers, Taking Back Sunday, Afghan Whigs, Alkaline Trio, Glassjaw, Bob Mould, Thurston Moore, Buzzcocks, Clutch, Manchester Orchestra, Lucero, Title Fight and many more. Full initial lineup below. Tickets go on sale Saturday (5/10) at 10 AM.

As mentioned on BV Chicago, the Chicago fest happens from September 12-14 this year, and Denver from September 19-21. Stay tuned for those lineups.

Full initial Toronto lineup below...

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AC Newman

As mentioned, New Pornographer AC Newman will release his new solo album, Shut Down the Streets, on October 9 via Matador and will kick off a tour with The Mynabirds later that month which hits the NYC area on October 22 at Bowery Ballroom (tickets) and October 24 at Maxwell's (tickets). All dates are listed below.

But you won't have to wait that long to catch AC Newman in NYC because we're happy to announce that he'll be playing a BrooklynVegan-presented show at The Rock Shop on October 8, the day before the album's release. Entry can be obtained by purchasing the album early from one of the following NYC record stores:

Other Music (in-store only, not online)
Sound Fix
Ear Wax
In Living Stereo
Rebel Rebel
Co Op 87

The stores will have the album on sale starting October 6 (three days ahead of its official release) and tickets at each store will be limited. You can also get in by winning a pair from us. We have a few, and contest details are below.

UPDATE: You can also get a ticket if you order from the Matador store and then email store@matadorrecords.com with the subject "AC Newman ticket" and your order number (while supplies last).  

We've also got a new short film inspired by AC Newman's new album called "Want You To Know." The film was made by James Blose. You can watch it, along with a list of updated dates and those contest details, below.

Continue reading "BV Presents: a free AC Newman release show in Brooklyn (buy the CD/LP or win tix to get in)"

Fleetwood Mac

Stevie Nicks came to "CBS This Morning" yesterday (7/11) for an on-air interview, during which she revealed that Fleetwood Mac plan to reunite "next year, so far." "It's the plan. Because that's what we do. I do my thing. And Lindsey (Buckingham is) out doing his thing now." During that interview, Stevie also spoke about the recent suicide of Fleetwood Mac member Bob Welch, saying "I can't even tell you what in the world would have pushed him to do something that crazy."

Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are both currently on their own solo tours. Stevie hit the NYC area a few times in the past month, including Beacon Theater and she plays tonight (7/12) at Mohegan Sun in CT. Lindsey's tour is ongoing as well, and it hit NYC back in June for a show at BB King's.

As mentioned, there's also a Fleetwood Mac tribute in the works which comes on August 14 and features covers by mostly indie rock artists. Since we last wrote, many of those covers have surfaced on the internet. 10 of the 17 total covers are streaming below, including Lee Ranaldo Band and J Mascis' "Albatross," Antony's "Landslide," Billy Gibbons & Co.'s "Oh Well," Best Coast's "Rhiannon," The New Pornographers' "Think About Me," Lykke Li's "Silver Springs," Karen Elson (produced by Beck)'s "Gold Dust Woman," Matt Sweeney and Bonnie 'Prince' Billy's "Storms," MGMT's "Future Games," and The Kills' "Dreams."

Those streams and lists of all Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham dates are below...

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oh the humanity...

Festival For Humanity

Just noticed this note posted today on the homepage of the upcoming Festival For Humanity:

May 12th, 2011

To Those Involved With The Festival For Humanity,

It is with sadness that we inform you that the Festival for Humanity has been cancelled.

The founder of the festival, Anders Thueson has been doing everything in his power to secure financing and as of this late hour, the Festival For Humanity will not take place. "The concept of Festival for Humanity was a Celebration of Art and Music to Benefit Charities of Suicide Prevention, Health and Nutrition. I strongly believe we will find a way another way to help those in outreach, education, awareness and funding, this I pledge," says Thueson.

All paid ticket holders will be notified and refunded.
Refund questions: refunds@festivalforhumanity.com
Non-Refund questions: info@festivalforhumanity.com
Phone Inquires: (914) 215-5334
Thank you for your understanding and patience.

The Festival For Humanity Founder
Anders Thueson

Note: The Festival For Humanity was the 'merchant of record' for your transactions

Most people reading this are probably wondering what the Festival For Humanity is (and that's probably part of their problem), but the Vernon, NJ festival's lineup included The New Porngraphers, and, well (another part of their problem...), and Cracker... Third Eye Blind... Sister Hazel... the Misfits... Soul Asylum... Good Charlotte... John Popper... Ok, it was for charity, so that sucks.

The new New Pornographers?
New Pornographers

Neko Case has been keeping busy on the road lately, recording with the Dodos, spending lots of time with Jakob Dylan, and even sometimes playing with her band The New Pornographers, so it's nice to know that she (and the rest of the New Pornos) got the day off when they were making the video for "Moves" from their recent album Together.

In their place is a cast of funny characters including Julie Klausner (as Neko), Jon Wurster (as one version of Carl Newman), Kevin Corrigan (as Dan Bejar), and Ted Leo (as Kathryn Calder). Also look for Todd Barry, Other Music, Death By Audio, Wyatt Cenac, a mound of cocaine, Gabe Delahaye, Max Silvestri, Horatio Sanz, Bill Hader and Paul Rudd (the cast of Expectant Dads) and many more in the Tom Scharpling (who directed this Ted Leo masterpiece) directed video, that you can watch with full credits listed, below...

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photos by Amanda Hatfield

The New Pornographers

4AD and The Red Hot Organization are delighted to announce that $1,000,000 has been so far donated to charity from the proceeds of the DARK WAS THE NIGHT album. The album was released by 4AD in February 2009, and is a musical collaboration conceived and produced by Aaron and Bryce Dessner of The National, and Red Hot founder John Carlin. It contains 32 exclusive tracks by an unbelievably talented roster of artists, including Arcade Fire, Blonde Redhead, Bon Iver, Cat Power, The Decemberists, Dirty Projectors + David Byrne, Feist, Grizzly Bear, My Morning Jacket, The New Pornographers, Spoon, and Sufjan Stevens - to name just a few.

In order to recognize the generous contributions of the artists involved with Dark Was The Night, Red Hot asked them to recommend charitable organizations whose work they admire. The list of organizations is below.

The Red Hot Organization was founded in 1989 to deal with the crisis surrounding the devastation of the AIDS epidemic on the creative community in downtown New York. Dark Was The Night, released in February 2009, was the 20th Red Hot album.

Beggars Group chairman Martin Mills states "Aaron and Bryce pulled together a wonderful collection of artists, songs and performances that perfectly encapsulates these times and really makes Dark Was The Night into an 'album' - a labor of love that has created this amazing and very tangible result!"

Dark Was The Night was a long time in the making, and the result of a lot of hard work and generosity from a long list of supporters. Aaron Dessner sums everyone's feelings up very well. "We want to thank all of the artists and everyone at 4AD again for helping us make Dark Was The Night happen. We also want to thank everyone who has bought this record -- your donations amount to a very significant contribution to Red Hot's mission fighting the spread of HIV/AIDS."

As you may have heard or just read above, Dark Was The Night raised lots of money, so good work to everyone involved including The New Pornographers whose contribution to the album was a cover of Destroyer's "Hey, Snow White," a song they performed last night at Terminal 5, ironically without Dan "Destroyer" Bejar (a member of the New Pornographers) present. They also played about 22 other songs at the 12/6 NYC show that Ted Leo & the Pharmacists opened.

The full setlist and more pictures from T5, with the list of Dark Was The Night charities, below...

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by BBG

Neko Case wonders how her copy of "Juggs" landed on the stage at the Bell House (more by Andrew St. Clair)
Neko Case

The New Pornographers concert at Calvin College has been canceled because of the band's name.

The college released a statement explaining, "after weeks of discussion and consideration, the irony of the band's name was impossible to explain to many. The band's name, to some, is mistakenly associated with pornography. Consequently, Calvin, to some, was mistakenly associated with pornography. Neither the college nor the band endorses pornography."

Calvin student activities director Ken Heffner, who books concerts for the college, said refunds would be issued today, and that the cancelation is a "peaceful parting of ways" between the school and the band. The group was scheduled to perform Oct. 15 in the Calvin Fieldhouse Complex -[Grand Rapids Press]

The filthy disgusting AC Newman, confirmed-furry Neko Case, scat-enthusiast Dan Bejar, and the rest of the low-lifes may not be playing Calvin College, butt their 12/6 show at Terminal 5 with Ted Leo & The Pharmacists is still on. Tickets are now on AmEx presale (regular sale Friday at noon), AND you can still get tickets via the band's service fee-free presale too.

Both bands play also Matador 21 in Vegas, and you can catch Neko Case when she joins T Bone Burnett for special shows in Boston, and California (but not NYC unfortunately).

Ted Leo @ FYF Fest 2010 (more by Chris Juarez)
Ted Leo

We will be releasing a small quantity of GA tickets for Matador 21 next week by lottery. Winners will be picked at random and notified on Tuesday, September 14th at 9:00am. Winners will have 24hrs to purchase their tickets. If they fail to do so, a new winner will be selected the following day at 9:00am. All winners will be given the option to purchase 2 tickets at $250 each + service fees and taxes. This is your last chance (we hope!) to be part of the greatest weekend in human history

To enter the lottery please send an email to 21@matadorrecords.com with the title, "21 LOTTERY" in the subject line of your message.

Matador Records

The final lineup/sort-of-schedule for Matador 21, taking place in Las Vegas from Oct 1-3, was recently released. Check it out below.

On the Matador 21 schedule you'll see that both The New Pornographers and Ted Leo & the Pharmacists play the final day of the festival, Sunday, October 3rd. It was also just announced that those same two bands will share a bill again two months later in NYC. Tickets for the Monday, December 6th show at Terminal 5 in NYC go on service-fee-free Presale today (9/14), AmEx presale Wednesday at 11am, and then general sale Friday at noon.

In between Las Vegas and NYC, the New Pornographers will play a series of dates with Tokyo Police Club who also have a bunch of shows scheduled without their fellow Canadians. All dates are listed below.

Ted Leo has an even busier schedule between now and December, and as usual, good taste in openers. In September and October he'll hit the road with So Cow and then Kevin Seconds and then Screaming Females again.

Screaming Females meanwhile are on a tour that passes through Brooklyn on Wednesday, September 15th. Tickets for the Knitting Factory show are still on sale.

All dates and stuff below...

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photos by Andrew St. Clair

Dan Bejar on stage with The New Pornographers
The New Pornographers

One night after they headlined Terminal 5, The New Pornographers played a smaller show at The Bell House in Brooklyn with their tour-mates The Dutchess and the Duke (the Dodos sat the Brooklyn show out). More pictures and both setlists below...

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photos by Greg Cristman, words by Rachel Kowal

Terminal 5

The New Pornographers may be considered to be hopelessly passé by some, but for better or worse, they got a fair amount of play during my college radio days, so they are one of those bands that that I look back at fondly - even if their last two or three albums left me feeling somewhat ambivalent.

Founded in 1997, they're veterans of the Canadian indie rock movement. They've seen the industry evolve and shift to accommodate one fad or another, and through it all, they held their ground and continued to churn out expansive power pop medleys year after year. With Carl Newman (A.C. Newman), Neko Case and Dan Bejar (Destroyer) in the mix, The New Pornographers also served as something of a prototype for the modern supergroup.

For Saturday night's show at Terminal 5 (one night after the CD throwing incident in Boston), The New Pornographers focused heavily on their newest album, Together, playing all but three songs from it. But in addition to showcasing the new material, they dipped deeper into their discography and pulled out songs like: "Sing Me Spanish Techno," "Mass Romantic," and "The Electric Version." Their set list for the evening was expansive, but the band talked little between songs and sometimes powered into the next with no more than a brief break for applause. One of the show's major highlights came during the final song of their encore, "Testament to Youth in Verse," when Newman engaged the audience with a slowly building sing-along.

The sound throughout the evening definitely seemed to be too loud - especially with the Dodos. The levels were fine for build-ups and breakdowns, but everything in between suffered. Whenever a song picked up the tempo and increased in volume, the sound started to blend together to create one inchoate mass of energy. Individual guitar riffs became muddled and vocals, indecipherable.

Luckily for Terminal 5, the additional New Pornographers show at the Bell House on Sunday night wasn't announced until after Saturday night's show had already sold out. Given the vastly improved sound quality at the Bell House and its more intimate size and layout, couldn't help but wonder what Sunday night's show (where they promised to do at least ten different songs) was going to be like in comparison (pictures from that one coming soon).

I got to the venue too late to see The Dutchess and the Duke, who like the Dodos, are still on tour with The New Pornographers. More pictures (of all three bands) from the T5 show, and the headliner's setlist, below...

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Pictures from this weekend's NYC New Pornographers shows are coming soon, but in the meantime here's a video from Friday's Boston show...

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New Pornographers

We have a pair of VIP tickets to give away to the New Pornographers show happening at the Bell House on Sunday, June 20th (the night after they play Terminal 5 on their Together-supporting tour). The winner will get to meet the band if they so choose, and attend the sound check before the show. Details on how to enter, and some recent live videos, below...

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New Pornographers

As rumored, The New Pornographers are playing a Brooklyn show at the Bell House on June 20th. That's one day after they play Terminal 5 with The Dutchess & The Duke and the Dodos. The Dutchess & The Duke are also opening the Brooklyn show. Tickets are on sale now! The Manhattan show is sold out.

The band's new video for ""Crash Years", below...

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"The 2010 Lollapalooza line-up is official: Soundgarden, Green Day, Lady Gaga, Arcade Fire, The Strokes, and Phoenix will headline, joined by Social Distortion, MGMT, Jimmy Cliff, Hot Chip, and The Black Keys. With 130 bands on this year's bill, its sure to be a weekend long feast for the ears.

It's a monumental year for Lollapalooza, filled with homecomings, reunions, and first-times. Soundgarden, 1992 and 1996 Lollapalooza alumni, return to the Lollapalooza stage for their first performance since 1997. Green Day will rock Grant Park sixteen years after their first Lollapalooza appearance. While Lady Gaga will headline the festival only three short years after playing the BMI stage at Lollapalooza 2007.

Arcade Fire returns to Grant Park, having played the reincarnated Lollapalooza in 2005. This is the first Lollapalooza for The Strokes - and also their first show in four years. And making their Lollapalooza debut: Phoenix." - Lollapalooza
After extremely accurate early leaks and then much teasing, Lollapalooza oficially announces this year's lineup. Check it out below...

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DOWNLOAD: The New Pornographers - Your Hands Together (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Imaad Wasif - "Priestess" (MP3)

The New Pornographers SXSW "Together" shuttle (kelprecords)
New Pornographers

A quick gander and the snowfall-laden countdown to the May 4 release of 'Together' reveals you've got limited time to GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER (sorry) to place a pre-order for the 5th and arguably finest studio album from The New Pornographers. And not to apply undue pressure on a Spring Tuesday morning, but you'll have even less time to get it in gear unless you wanna be on the outside looking in when The New Pornographers roll into your town (sadly, on a bus besides this one) in a few weeks time. Tickets for the North America tour starting June 7 go on presale today (dates below). -Matador
The above pictured and referenced bus (aka the "Together Shuttle") was shuttling people (including Andrew Frisicano) from the Austin airport to the convention center and hotels during SXSW. Riders were treated to free drinks and "Together" playing over the sound system. One new song from that new album is available above for free.

And there's a tour. The New Pornographers will be on the road for most of June and July and a few dates before and after that. Most of that time will be spent with The Dodos, and some of the dates are with The Dutchess and The Duke (three bands total) including June 19th at Terminal 5 in NYC. As mentioned above, tickets are now on presale. Other dates are with Imaad Wasif (who goes on tour with Dead Meadow even sooner). All dates below...

Continue reading "The New Pornographers, The Dodos, the Dutchess & The Duke, Imaad Wasif - 2010 Tour Dates, MP3s, stuff"

by Andrew Frisicano

DOWNLOAD: Glass Ghost - The Same (MP3)
DOWNLOAD: Glass Ghost - Like a Diamond (MP3)

Here We Go Magic @ South Street Seaport - Summer 2009 (more by Chris La Putt)
Here We Go Magic

Here We Go Magic, a band who have already headlined the 600+ capacity Music Hall of Williamsburg, are playing a show at the much tinier Zebulon this Friday, March 5th. The gig is free (they usually pass the hat for the bands) and also on the bill are Caveman and Glass Ghost. Brooklyn's Glass Ghost are a keys and drums duo whose play synth-based, rhythmic pop that doesn't fall into standard electro cliches (in particular see "The Same," above). Their debut, Idol Omen, came out on Western Vinyl last September. Their video for "Like a Diamond" is posted below.

Here We Go Magic's upcoming North American tour includes SXSW, where one their shows in the official Brooklyn Vegan showcase at Club DeVille on March 17th with Califone, Dawes, Bowerbirds, The Middle East and Serena-Maneesh. They also play Pitchork's official showcase three nights later. They'll be back in the NYC area for an April 30th show at Maxwell's. Tickets are on sale.

They're also touring North America with White Rabbits and Europe with The New Pornographers. All dates are below...

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We'll get a more complete press release in the morning (and confirm what is listed below is 100% correct), but in the meantime below is a picture of the 2010 Sasquatch poster (that someone Tweeted) and the lineup as read by Bradford Cox at tonight's Atlas Sound show in Seattle (and being listed all over the Internet)....

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