Entries tagged with: The Strokes
Pop vs Jock 2012 (more by Dominick Mastrangelo)
Arcade Fire singer Win Butler's annual charity basketball game, Pop vs Jock, will go down in conjunction with Pop Montreal once again this year. The game takes place on September 20 at the McGill University Sports Centre, and includes Win along with fellow Pop vs Jock alumni Will Butler (his brother, also of Arcade Fire), Nikolai Fraiture (The Strokes), and newcomer Justin Vernon (Bon Iver). Former NBA player Brent Barry and current player Matt Bonner round out the lineup as well. Tickets are on sale now, and proceeds will go to DJ Sports Club, a charity offering sports and education programs to Montreal youth.
Arcade Fire were just in NYC for a three night run at Barclays Center.
photos by Adela Loconte
The Strokes / Grimes / Boris
[Slowdive's] entire audience appears to be holding its breath, immersed in the British shoegaze band's ocean of sound. The three guitarists--Neil Halstead, Christian Savill, and Rachel Goswell--are urged on by the warm throb of Nick Chaplin's bass and the vigorous drumming of Simon Scott. It's a relief to hear a drummer at the festival who isn't playing in boring old 4/4. Goswell, resplendent in a silver dress and smiling shyly, sings the hook to "Crazy for You," its circular guitar figure still captivating 20 years later. Unfortunately, her pretty voice sounds paper thin in the mix of "Machine Gun" but the reverb-y guitars sound great. During "Souvlaki Space Station," left-handed Savill plays a solo in which his slide guitar sighs as if in post-coital bliss.LA's 2014 FYF Fest went down over the weekend (Saturday, 8/23 & Sunday, 8/24) with a killer lineup that included Phoenix, The Strokes, Interpol, Grimes, Slowdive, Slint, The Blood Brothers, Future Islands, Against Me!, Ty Segall, Boris, Run the Jewels, Darkside, Flying Lotus, Blood Orange, Haim, Murder City Devils, Four Tet, The Bronx, Deafheaven, La Dispute, Joyce Manor, Joanna Gruesome, Angel Olsen and many more. We've got pictures of a handful of the bands from both days, in this post.
One wonders whether most of these teens and twentysomethings have any idea who Slowdive is. After all, the band broke up--or, more accurately morphed into Mojave 3--when many of the attendees were in diapers. Is Slowdive cashing in on the reunion dollar or will they produce new material? One hopes for the latter. The band's multiple guitargasms are indescribably majestic and beautiful. The five-piece doesn't take the opportunity to play "Visions of LA," but "Alison" and a cover of Syd Barrett's "Golden Hair" end the set on a highpoint. Before they depart, Goswell announces they'll be back in November. Can't wait. [Under the Radar]
More pics, with a stream of a new song by rapper Kosha Dillz where he namedrops 60 bands that played FYF, below...
photos by Adela Loconte
The Strokes at The Chelsea / Interpol at Boulevard Pool in Las Vegas last week
The 2014 FYF Fest wraps up in Los Angeles today (8/24) with sets from The Strokes, Darkside, Blood Orange, Built to Spill, Mac DeMarco and more. (Saturday saw sets from Interpol, Ty Segall, Future Islands, Todd Terje, Real Estate, Angel Olsen and more.) Before FYF, both The Strokes and Interpol played shows in Las Vegas and we've got pictures from The Strokes (with Albert Hammond Jr opening) at The Chelsea on 8/20 and Interpol at Boulevard Pool on 8/21.
For Interpol, this was one of a few shows leading up to the release of their new album, El Pintor. Another of those is at the Met, and they'll go on a full tour with Hundred Waters this fall. All dates and a new interview we did with Daniel Kessler, here.
We'll have pics from FYF Fest soon. Meanwhile, check out more from The Strokes and Interpol in Vegas below...
"There was a certain amount of science to it. An entire week of work experience students left the office thinking that cutting-edge music journalism in 2014 mostly involves calculating which bands have been mentioned most in NME in the past two years, then hunting out references to the bands that influenced those acts online and finally adding up the number of times each influence came up. This gave us a rough list which our editorial team - heads swimming with all of the bands that Wolf Alice (or whoever) have raved on about over 4am ciders - then took to the pub, tore into shreds, fought and shouted about and finally reconstructed in the rundown of 100 you see in the mag today. The Beatles didn't make it. Sorry." [NME[NME went ahead and listed who they think the 100 most influential musicians and bands are (their latest cover story). Radiohead topped the list. Read the rest with justifications at NME, or just look at their full list below...
Julian w/ The Strokes at Governors Ball (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
Julian Casablancas is having a pretty busy year. Among other things, he's releasing the new Karen O LP on his label, he's playing Strokes shows again (they next play FYF Fest and a Las Vegas show beforehand), and he's working on his other project, Julian Casablancas + The Voidz who are releasing an LP and touring.
The Voidz' tour has just been expanded and now includes a show happening in Julian's hometown of NYC on November 25 at Hammerstein Ballroom. Tickets for that show go on sale Friday (7/11) at noon. All dates are listed below.
The Voidz' album, Tyranny, comes out on September 23 via Julian's Cult Records. You can watch its newest video teaser, with the list of tour dates, below...
photos by Dana (distortion) Yavin
Such was not the case for the Strokes, the hometown boys who drew what looked like the biggest crowd of Governors Ball so far. (Childish Gambino, who was performing a set during the same time slot across Randall's Island Park, must have felt a little lonely, though his audience did include Andre 3000, with his son in tow.) I had completely forgotten that the Strokes had released a new album called Comedown Machine last year, right up until the moment they busted out "Welcome To Japan" early in their evening performance.The Strokes, after a warm up show at Capitol Theater, returned the the big stage to co-headline Day 2 of Governors Ball on Saturday night (6/7). Some pictures from all of Saturday are HERE, but the Strokes photos are in this post. They continue along with some videos and their setlist, below...
The big secret about the Strokes is that they've never been that good live, and there were moments that lacked focus during their 90 minutes on stage. But they seemed to feed off the energy of their neighbors, and by the set-closing one-two punch of "You Only Live Once" (from 2006's deeply underrated First Impressions of Earth) and the watershed single "Last Nite," they had discovered their inner rock gods. Props to them too for performing "New York City Cops" as their encore, as it is by far the best song in the band's entire catalog, and there's always self-conscious concern about playing that tune within the city limits.)
Honor Titus & Julian Casablancas
Proceeds from this auction support The Capitol Community Fund. The Capitol Community Fund sends local teachers to the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame for curriculum training - keeping rock n' roll in the classroom! HeadCount.org is a non-profit organization that uses the power of music to foster community and democratic participation. There is a sense of community felt in the heart of the music scene. It's a feeling that can't be described but you know you are part of something bigger. Together we can make a change and a difference!Cerebral Ballzy, who are signed to Julian's Cult Records, open the Port Chester, NY show. Less than a week later you can catch that band's frontman Honor Titus reading and hosting poetry at Niagara in the East Village. CB's album "Jaded & Faded" will be released June 17. They'll be in Europe at the time touring with Fucked Up. They return to Europe to tour with OFF! in October. Their only other US dates at the moment are both Riot Fests. Everything is listed below.
The Strokes are also playing FYF Fest in LA in August.
Stroke Albert Hammond Jr. plays a few dates with Phoenix in June before headlining a Northside Festival show at Music Hall of Williamsburg in Brooklyn on June 13. The Strokes-influenced Drowners open that show. Tickets are still available.
Tour dates below...
The annual two-day FYF Fest is returning to LA from August 23-24 this year, and the lineup was just announced. It includes The Strokes, Phoenix, the reunited Blood Brothers who haven't played sine 2007 (!), Slowdive, Slint, Flying Lotus, Grimes, Blood Orange, Darkside, Jamie xx, Haim, Little Dragon, Future Islands, Death Grips (we know FYF is a festival they actually play), Ty Segall, Deafheaven, La Dispute, Joyce Manor, Against Me!, Built to Spill, Murder City Devils, The Bronx, Angel Olsen, Four Tet, Earl Sweatshirt, Joanna Gruesome and many more.
Tickets go on sale May 22 at noon PDT. Full lineup below...
The Strokes at MSG in 2011 (more by Bao Nguyen)
The Strokes are making their return to the stage with a relatively intimate NY show on May 31 at Capitol Theater before their Governors Ball appearance on NYC's Randall's Island a few days later. Tickets went on fan club presale yesterday and sold right out, but you'll have another chance in the Citi bank presale which starts today (5/15) at noon. The general on-sale begins Friday (5/16) at noon.
Meanwhile, we're also still giving away a pair of of VIP tickets to Governors Ball 2014 in our contest with DoNYC. If you haven't entered yet, you can enter via the form below...
UPDATE: the just announced list of food vendors at Governors Ball, is also below...
The Strokes at Bonnaroo 2011 (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
It was already announced that The Strokes would play their first hometown show since MSG in 2011 at this year's Governors Ball (the NYC festival that Julian Casablancas also plays with his band The Voidz), but if you don't want to brave a huge three-day festival to see them (or even one day of a three-day fest), you're in luck. The NYC cool kids of the early aughts will now preface GovBall with a headlining festival pre-show in the area at Port Chester's Capitol Theater on May 31, a far more intimate location than Madison Square Garden.
Tickets for the Cap show go on Strokes Fan Club presale Wednesday (5/14) at 10 AM, followed by Governors Ball/Citi bank presales on Thursday (5/15) at noon and the general on-sale Friday (5/16) at noon at this link.
Meanwhile, you can still get tickets to Governors Ball, which also includes Outkast, Jack White, Vampire Weekend, Phoenix, TV on the Radio, Disclosure, Damon Albarn, and more. But if you'd like to go for free, we've teamed up with DoNYC to give away a pair of VIP tickets to Governors Ball 2014. Enter our contest via the form below...
Phoenix @ Barclays Center, 2013 (more by Dominick Mastrangelo)
As you may know, the 2014 Governors Ball happens at Randall's Island from June 6-8. Individual day line-ups have been announced with Outkast, Phoenix and TV on the Radio headlining Friday (6/6), Jack White, The Strokes and Skrillex headlining Saturday (6/7), and Vampire Weekend and Axwell ^ Ingrosso headining Sunday (6/8). You can check each day's full line-up (though set times are still TBA) below.
Additionally, individual day tickets go on sale this Friday (4/4) at noon, with a limited Citi cardmember presale beginning Wednesday (4/2) at 10 AM.
Daily Governors Ball 2014 lineups below...
photos by Steven Noreyko, words by Bill Pearis
Julian Casablancas & The Voidz @ Chevrolet Courtyard, SXSW 3/14/2014
After some secret shows on their way to Austin, The Strokes' Julian Casablancas officially debuted new material and a new band -- The Voidz -- at SXSW, playing a 1 AM headlining set on Friday night (3/14) at the The Chevrolet Courtyard at Cedar Street. I'm pretty sure every Strokes fanatic in Texas was at the show and they were hyped for a chance to see him in a fairly intimate setting.
I am more of a casual fan but I was there. It came after a long day of music -- which started off with our second day party -- and I had hit the wall by the time Casablancas went on. Julian sang hunched over and often with his back to the crowd, vocals in the red the whole time. He played five new songs plus returned to play "Instant Crush," his contribution to Daft Punk's new album, for a demanded encore. What I remember more than the music was that The Voidz looked like they were plucked from a Jersey Shore pizza place circa 1987 -- extra cheese. (Dig the mullet and 'stache on the guitarist.) The was also an old Apple Computer on stage that was rigged up to display random graphics via the soundboard, which tied the whole thing together.
Casablancas and The Voidz have an album on the way -- release date TBA -- and you can watch a teaser video for that (also very '80s) below. After the Cedar St. Couryard show, the Voidz also played Fader Fort on Saturday (3/15) too. NYC can catch The Voidz (and The Strokes) at Governors Ball. You can check out live video from the Chevrolet Coutyard show, plus a few more pics, below.
Strokes frontman Julian Casablancas has started teasing a new solo album and/or band entitled "Julian Casablancas + The Voidz". You can watch a 2 minute YouTube video he released the other day below and "Julian Casablancas + The Voidz are billed as playing Fader Fort and the Chevrolet Courtyard at Cedar Street at SXSW this week. Meanwhile JC & The Voidz played a secret show in DC on Saturday, and this is what those sexy fellas looked like:
Now we also wait for some sort of NYC announcement, and maybe even more Austin shows will pop up? You can watch that teaser below...
Governors Ball (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
Did the drug related deaths at Electric Zoo affect their festival which also takes place on Randall's Island?
The tragic events that occurred at Electric Zoo have lead to new protocols and additional oversight from the City of NYC and the Parks department. More city agencies (and more folks from each agency) are involved in our planning meetings, and we are required to do many additional things, mostly safety related. That being said, the city has been a pleasure to deal with and they have been very professional and practical about things. Safety is their number 1 priority, and we feel the same way, so our interests are aligned there. - TWhat about all that rain and mud last year?
When we first heard about Tropical Storm Andrea it was 8 days out from the first day of the fest. By that time we have a Meterologist on call 24/7 to give us updates on the storms track, it's potential impact, etc. and we used that data to prep the site as much as we could for the coming rain. Unfortunately everything we did to prep the grounds was entirely negated by the massive amounts of rain we received. It was the most rainfall NYC has gotten in a 36 hour period EVER. That being said, during our repairs we did add in a new drainage line to help deal with rainfall, and we have had many convos with all city departments about how to address expected rainfall in the safest and best way possible. We have a new Weather plan which the City of NY have helped with, and we are better suited to deal with rain in 2014. That being said, and just being totally honest here, if we get 6 inches of rain in 36 hours again it will be another crazy year. However, let's think positive - it's gonna be beautiful and sunny and awesome! - TWhat day are vampire weekend and disclosure playing??
Bold question. VW on Sunday. Disclosure on Saturday. -YRAny after-shows?
TONS! And they're gonna rule. Info coming soon! -JWHow did they land the Strokes?
We have tried to book The Strokes every single year that Gov Ball has existed. They essentially have had an open invite to play when they wanted. We got a call from their agent at the very last minute, saying that they wanted to reunite and play at the festival. Dream come true for us. We're New York City kids, and they are the greatest NYC rock band of our generation. BOOM -JWRead much more at Reddit. Check out the whole 2014 lineup and get tickets too.
The Strokes at Bonnaroo 2011 (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
The lineup for NYC music festival Governors Ball was just announced, and included a solo set from Strokes frontman Julian Casablancas, but it's now just been confirmed that The Strokes themselves will perform too! It will be The Strokes' first hometown show since playing MSG in 2011.
Governors Ball 2013 (more by Amanda Hatfield)
We already knew that Outkast would be headlining this year's Governors Ball music festival, which goes down on NYC's Randall's Island from June 6-8, and now, one day after the lineup of Firefly Fest was announced, and a few days after we found out who was playing Coachella, the full lineup has been announced. It includes Jack White, Vampire Weekend, Phoenix, Interpol, TV on the Radio, Julian Casablancas, Disclosure, Spoon, Broken Bells, Damon Albarn, James Blake, Neko Case, The Kills, Grimes, Janelle Monae, Tyler the Creator, Washed Out, Earl Sweatshirt, Kurt Vile, Chance the Rapper, Deafheaven, Run the Jewels and many more.
UPDATE: The Strokes are playing too!
Tickets go on sale today (1/15) at 3 PM. Full lineup and flyer below...
AHJ w/ The Strokes at Bonnaroo 2011 (more by Dana (distortion) Yavin)
As discussed, young British up-and-comer Jake Bugg is touring North America in 2014, and since we last spoke, Strokes guitarist Albert Hammond Jr. was added to that tour. He'll be opening most dates, including the NYC stop on January 10 at Terminal 5, which also includes openers The Skins. Tickets for that show are on sale now. All dates are listed below.
After putting his solo project on hold for a couple Strokes albums, Albert returned with a new solo EP, AHJ earlier this year. You can watch the video for that EP's track "St. Justice," along with the list of tour dates, below...
Daft Punk just made a video for the Random Access Memories track "Instant Crush" which features Strokes frontman Julian Casablancas on lead vocals. He also appears in the video, and as does a replica of himself. Check it out below...
Another year, another round of band holiday sweaters. This year we can get in the holiday spirit by wrapping ourselves in warm, cozy attire from the likes of Queens of the Stone Age, Death From Above 1979, Descendents (again), Metallica, and more. Just like Grandma used to make. That's the QOTSA one pictured above, and the other three are pictured below.
As discussed, Queens of the Stone Age (who made Amazon's and Rough Trade's top albums of 2013 lists) will be in NYC for the holiday season when their tour brings them to Barclays Center on December 14 with The Kills. Tickets for that show are on sale now. Updated tour dates are listed below.
QOTSA's tour includes an Australia/New Zealand run in March with Nine Inch Nails and former Distillers singer Brody Dalle (who's also married to Josh Homme of QOTSA). Brody recently announced details of a new solo album (via Music Week), which will be out in early 2014 via Caroline. The record is set to feature contributions from Garbage's Shirley Manson, plus Warpaint singer Emily Kokal, Strokes guitarist Nick Valensi, QOTSA basist Michael Shuman, former Girls (and current Papa) member Darren Weiss, and more. And it's being produced by Alain Johannes, who's worked with QOTSA, Arctic Monkeys, and did Brody's Spinnerette album.
All QOTSA dates are listed, along with more sweater pics, below...
by Bill Pearis
Things are going great for Morrissey whose new book is selling like crazy. The new Issue of NME, as you can see from its cover above, features "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time." The UK music weekly picked these for the Top 10:
1. The Smiths - The Queen Is DeadJust keep in mind these are mostly British people making this list. Outkast's Stankonia is #500 if you were wondering, and the Top 50 are listed in this post. If you're wondering how NME came up with this list, here's what they said:
2. The Beatles - Revolver
3. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
4. The Strokes - Is This It
5. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
6. Pulp - Different Class
7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
8. Pixies - Doolittle
9. The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
10. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
It means emailing a vast array of alumni from across the NME generations, from the sixties swingers through the hip young gunslingers of the 70s right up to today's troupe of rock'n'roll toreadors, and begging/bullying them to submit lists of their favourite fifty albums of all time. Some joined in, others were too busy/famous now, but we managed to gather together around 80 voters to submit lists, at which point the serious number-crunching began.One of those 80 was '90s-era NME editor Johnny "Cigarettes" Sharp, who talked to The Quietus about how he came up with his ballot (and these kind of lists in general):
I and the rest of the NME alumni were simply told to vote for our 'favourite' albums - Ideally a top 50 but really anything we could rustle up by the following Monday.The mag does have a sense of humor about all this. The bottom right corner of the cover has a picture of Morrissey saying "...until the next 500." NME is publishing the whole list -- in not annoying slideshow format -- throughout the day and you can click through 500 - 401, and 400 - 301 right now. Their top 50 are listed below....
And herein lies a flaw inherent in all such lists: The results are bound to be slanted towards the choices of the voters who they happen still to have contact details for, which will inevitably be the more recent contributors (Still, having first written for them over 20 years ago, they didn't do too badly tracking me down).
Inevitably, with the whole thing being a bit last-minute and no-budget, the votes were also those of individuals who could be arsed to sweat over a difficult task in their free time for no financial reward. Welcome to 21st century publishing.
Strokes guitarist Albert Hammond Jr. has a new EP, simply titled AHJ, that will be out October 8. The first single, "Rude Customer," will be making it's debut on Zane Lowe's BBC1 radio show today (9/26) at 2PM NYC time.
UPDATE: The song is out now. Listen (via Dear Darkness) below.
While there's no word yet on a full tour, Hammond will be playing Webster Hall's Marlin Room on November 4. Tickets for that show go on sale Friday (9/27) at 10 AM.
Cover art and tracklist for the EP below...
by Klaus Kinski
For those keeping score, your man Klaus has played drums in many many unpopular and unsignable bands since 1991. I've dragged my 1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 4 piece kit (2nd rack tom not shown) with 1965 Gretsch snare (all of which were purchased in North Dartmouth, Massachusetts for $175) from one end of the earth (the Northeast) to the other (the Midwest mostly) hundreds of times. 'Tis a gorgeous kit, in phenomenal condition, and I have endured hundreds if not millions of compliments regarding it's eye-watering beauty. I am a man who appreciates a nice set of drums. And I'm a man who appreciates a man who appreciates a nice set of drums. Therefore, I am a man who appreciates this wonderful compilation video featuring the great David Letterman appreciating his various musical guest's gear, focusing primarily, but not exclusively, drums. The video, and a list of who is in it, including GBV, Feist, Beirut, James Blake, The Strokes, Mastodon, St. Vincent, and many many more, is below. Behold!
Check out the video for "All the Time" below...
by Bill Pearis
The Strokes new album, Comedown Machine, will be out March 26 and the band have just released the video for single "All the Time." The clip uses archival footage of the band, and plays kinda like one of those montage videos people make for birthdays and anniversaries. Reminisce on the good times, the crazy times, the Strokes times, all the times, below...
Eels at Terminal 5 in 2010 (more by Andrew St. Clair)
The Orwells @ BVCMJ 2012 (more by Chris La Putt)
today in NYC
* Boy @ Joe's Pub
* killer BOB @ The Stone
* The Stepfathers @ UCB
* Guerilla Toss @ The Stone
* Ed Kowalczyk @ City Winery
* Pedro Giraudo Sextet @ Barbes
* Las Rubias Del Notre @ Barbes
* Louis CK @ New York City Center
* Samothrace, Pilgrim @ Saint Vitus
* Jim Gaffigan @ The Capitol Theatre
* Eels, Nicole Atkins @ Webster Hall
* Potty Mouth, Aye Nako @ New Museum
* Vacationer, Body Language @ Maxwell's
* Shit Robot, Jacques Renault, EUG @ Le Bain
* The Allman Brothers Band @ Beacon Theatre
* Preservation Hall Jazz Band @ Brooklyn Bowl
* Tin Man, Fred P, Eric Cloutier @ Public Assembly
* The Ruby Suns, Painted Palms @ Mercury Lounge
* Andres, Anthony Naples, Magic Touch @ 285 Kent
* Freshkills, Violent Bullshit, Chron Turbine @ Union Pool
* Soley, Zach Hurd, Jeanne Jolly @ Rockwood Music Hall
* Ski Lodge, Night Panther, Day Joy, Belle Mare @ Pianos
* Bonaparte, Sami.The.Great, Bird Courage @ Glasslands
* B A N A N A S ! ! w/ Oro11, Alex (Lemonade) @ Glasslands
* Great Caesar, Vally Lodge, Laurelin Kruse @ 92YTribeca
* Good Field, Ramesh (of Voxtrot), Matt Bauer @ Union Hall
* The Orwells, The So So Glos, Radkey @ Santos Party House
* Brian Killer, Perdition, In School, Missionary @ Death By Audio
* Isle of Rhodes, The Ugly Club, The Highway @ The Rock Shop
* Dragons of Zynth, The Phantom Family Halo, Lushes, ITEZ @ Big Snow
* The Aye-Ayes, Jolly, OneHundredThousand, Josh Elkes @ Arlene's Grocery
* Mercies, Lily & The Parlour, Tricks, The Hollows, At Sea @ The Knitting Factory
* Mac De Marco, Naomi Punk, Calvin Love, Tonstartsbandht @ Music Hall of Williamsburg
* PC Worship, Pop. 1280, Burning Star Core, Diamond Guardian Diffusion, Ducktails (DJ Set) @ Silent Barn
Comedian Dave Hill aka the King of Metal's power pop band Valley Lodge played The Explosion at UCB with him last night. If you missed it, Valley Lodge appear on stage in NYC again tonight at 92YTribeca. Know anyone in Boston? Dave opens for Janeane Garofalo at the Wilbur Theatre on Saturday.
The Orwells, who play a BrooklynVegan party at SXSW this month, are in town to play Santos Party House tonight.
BrooklynVegan Day Parties at SXSW this year will take place at the old Emo's location, and will also feature a set by Empress Of who plays Pianos Tuesday.
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If you're still waiting for Azealia Banks to put out her debut album, but would be okay with hearing her cover The Strokes instead, you're in luck because she recorded a cover of "Barely Legal," which you can listen to below. You may remember she has also once covered Interpol.
Bob Mould was just in town for two shows and while here he stopped by Late Night with Jimmy Fallon to perform "Star Machine," from last year's roaring The SIlver Age. As an online bonus, Bob and the band ripped through Sugar's classic "A Good Idea." Look for comedians Fred Armisen and Jon Glazer watching from the wings. Check out both clips below.