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The Replacements at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium - 9/19/14
The Replacements did like to mess around, but they've also written some of the best songs of this kind that have ever been recorded, and the Forest Hills show had them playing hit after hit, sounding tight as hell. ("They've never sounded this tight!" exclaimed an older fan sitting next to me who seemed like he had seen them plenty of times back when.) They played just about everything you wanted to hear too. Their three most classic albums, Let It Be, Tim and Pleased to Meet Me, were well represented. But if you're a fan of their earlier punk years, you got "Takin a Ride," "Take Me Down to the Hospital," "White and Lazy," "I'm In Trouble" and a handful of others. And if you're into the more polished latter albums, you got "I'll Be You," "Merry Go Round," "All Shook Down" and "Achin' To Be."Alternative rock legends The Replacements finally brought their reunion tour to NYC this past Friday (9/19) for a show at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium in Queens with well-matched openers The Hold Steady and Deer Tick. Above is an excerpt from our review, which you can read in full along with the setlist and videos, here. Now we've got a set of pictures of all three bands from the show.
by Andrew Sacher
The Replacements @ Forest Hills Tennis Stadium - 9/19/14 (via BV Instagram)
The Replacements have been playing shows again for the first time since 1991 for over a year now, but it wasn't until this Friday (9/19) at the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium in Queens that their reunion tour finally hit NYC. The band -- original members Paul Westerberg and Tommy Stinson, plus guitarist Dave Minehan (The Neighborhoods) and drummer Josh Freese (The Vandals, Devo, Weezer) -- were supported by Deer Tick and The Hold Steady, both of whom are old pals, tourmates and huge Replacements fans. I missed Deer Tick's early set (6:30 PM), but there was a definite admiration for the headliners during The Hold Steady's set. Craig Finn told a story of being at a tennis court as a teenager and telling someone his favorite band were the Ramones (who are from Forest Hills), and the person responded, "If you like the Ramones, you should check out The Replacements." He then said how The Replacements went on to become his other favorite band, so now opening for them at a tennis stadium located where the Ramones are from felt full circle. Before he left the stage, he said, "I can't believe I'm saying this... THE REPLACEMENTS ARE UP NEXT!"
I never saw The Replacements during their initial run, and I really had no idea what to expect. So many of the stories I've heard are that they were equally or more likely to get drunk and play a bunch of sloppy covers than put on a tight set. Not to mention, not all of these reunion shows have gotten the best reviews. But I'm being totally honest when I say this was up there with the best rock shows I have ever seen. The Replacements did like to mess around, but they've also written some of the best songs of this kind that have ever been recorded, and the Forest Hills show had them playing hit after hit, sounding tight as hell. ("They've never sounded this tight!" exclaimed an older fan sitting next to me who seemed like he had seen them plenty of times back when.) They played just about everything you wanted to hear too. Their three most classic albums, Let It Be, Tim and Pleased to Meet Me, were well represented. But if you're a fan of their earlier punk years, you got "Takin a Ride," "Take Me Down to the Hospital," "White and Lazy," "I'm In Trouble" and a handful of others. And if you're into the more polished latter albums, you got "I'll Be You," "Merry Go Round," "All Shook Down" and "Achin' To Be."
They did get a few covers in, including about half of The Jackson 5's "I Want You Back" for which Paul commented on being proud of themselves for learning that riff. And they definitely weren't taking themselves too seriously or anything. Tommy joked between songs, and even if the setlist was actually planned, he and Paul at least made some of the songs seem like they were picked on the spot. Everything got a great reaction from the crowd (and the huge venue was packed), but they went out with a bang, packing all the biggest anthems -- "Can't Hardly Wait," "Bastards of Young," "Alex Chilton," "Unsatisfied," college radio ode "Left of The Dial" -- in at the end of the set. If I had to pick a personal favorite moment, it would be hearing "Androgynous" which Paul sang with the same heartbreaking, voice-cracking sincerity he recorded it with thirty years ago. But hearing that huge crowd belt out "We are the sons of nooooooo one!" and "I'm in love! With that song!" even from my seats in the upper bowl were some of the most purely satisfying moments you could ask for at any rock show. Let alone one from a band who had been away for 22 years.
We'll have pictures from the whole night soon. UPDATE: Pictures are up. Meanwhile check out the full setlist and videos from the Forest Hills show below...
Deer Tick at one of their 2012 Brooklyn Bowl holiday shows (more by Tracy Allison)
How are you spending your week between Christmas and New Years? For Deer Tick, who have their 10th anniversary this year, they'll be celebrating at at Brooklyn Bowl for a special six-night run from December 26 - December 31. The first five nights, in addition to their own material, they'll be covering some of their favorite albums in full:
12/26: NRBQ - Tiddlywinks / Deer Tick: War Elephant (tix)More excitingly, at the 12/26 show they'll be performing their 2007 album War Elephant in full too! For the final (New Year's Eve) show, it will be an entirely fan-chosen setlist. The band are promising "many friends, special guests, and great bands joining the party each night." Tickets for these Brooklyn Bowl shows go on sale Friday (9/12) at noon with a presale beginning Wednesday (9/10) at noon.
12/27: Lou Reed - Transformer (tix)
12/28: The Beatles - Meet the Beatles (tix)
12/29: Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! (tix)
12/30: Elvis Costello - My Aim is True (tix)
12/31 fan chosen Deer Tick Set (tix)
Congrats to Deer Tick on on 10 great years! We're glad to have spent most of that ride with them. Highlights include Deer Tick's opening set at our very first official SXSW showcase and their headlining set at our show at the same venue just one year later. War Elephant was their only album released both of those years, and I'm especially excited about that one being performed in full.
Deer Tick are no strangers to holiday shows at Brooklyn Bowl or performing lots of covers. Meanwhile, the band will open for The Replacements next week (9/19) at Forest Hills Stadium in Queens with The Hold Steady on the bill too. Tickets are still available (you can win them too). Updated tour dates, plus Rdio/YouTube streams of the albums they're covering, are below.
The Replacements @ Boston Calling (via Erich Roehre)
The Replacements' ongoing reunion tour hit Boston Calling yesterday (9/7) for a set filled with favorites like "Androgynous," "I Will Dare," "Can't Hardly Wait," "Bastards of Young," "Kiss Me On The Bus," "Color Me Impressed," "Takin a Ride," and more, plus a couple of the covers they've been doing (The Jackson 5's "I Want You Back," Chuck Berry's "Maybellene") and an encore of "Alex Chilton." Full setlist and a video, below.
The tour finally makes its way to NYC on September 19 at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium with The Hold Steady and Deer Tick. Tickets to that show are still available and we're also giving away a pair. Details on how to enter to win, with the update list of dates, video and setlist from Boston, below...
Deer Tick / Haim / Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
The best performance of the day, however, came courtesy of Haim. This increasingly popular pop-rock trio, which sold out two nights at the Fillmore in San Francisco in April, was absolutely dynamite onstage, roaring through tunes from the 2013 debut "Days Are Gone." The three sisters -- Alana, Danielle and Este Haim -- exhibited far more musical muscle in the live arena than they have in the studio to date. Danielle Haim, in particular, was a marvel to behold, delivering some of the most passionate, mesmerizing guitar work of the festival. [San Jose Mercury News]Day 2 of Outside Lands in Golden Gate park featured plenty of heavyweights. There were sets from Tom Petty, Death Cab for Cutie, Haim, Local Natives, Deer Tick, Dum Dum Girls and many more. We've got pics from many of the awesome Saturday sets in this post. You can check out pics of Day 1 here.
Big Freedia & Valerie June in the Soundwave Tent
We were also set up in the Toyota Soundwave tent, where we invited a few artists to stop by for stripped down sets, Q&As and more, including Big Freedia, Valerie June (both pictured above), The Districts, Deer Tick and others. More pictures from the Soundwave tent, plus many more of day 2's regular sets, below...
Ever since The Replacements first announced reunion gigs, we have wondered when is NYC going to get a show. Finally we know: September 19 at Forest Hills Stadium in Queens. The Hold Steady and Deer Tick (who are old pals, tourmates and huge Replacements fans). Tickets to that show go on sale Saturday (6/21) at 11 AM, and we're also giving away a pair. Details on how to enter to win, below.
Happiness is the new-ish band (formed in fall of 2013) of Deer Tick members Ian O'Neil, Chris Ryan and Dennis Ryan with Rafay Rashid, singer of fellow Providence band, Ravi Shavi. They recently put out a three song EP which you can stream below.
Happiness will be in NYC for two shows this week, including a headlining gig at Brooklyn's Cameo tonight (6/5) with Virgin Forest (Phosphorescent's backing band) and Heaven's Jail Band, and then opening for Diamond Rugs side project Los Lobos at Highline Ballroom on Saturday (6/7). Tickets for the Cameo show and the Highline show are on sale now.
In related news, folk singer Jonah Tolchin is releasing a new album, Clover Lane, on July 1 via Yep Roc (his first for the label), which features Deer Tick's John McCauley, Los Lobos' Steve Berlin, Chris Scruggs (grandson of Earl), Mickey Raphael (of Willie Nelson's band), and more. He's also got a tour coming up, which hits NYC on June 29 at Rockwood Music Hall with Christopher Paul Stelling (tickets), July 9 at City Winery with Tom Paxton (sold out), and July 11 at The Bell House with Dave Alvin & Phil Alvin (tickets). That Bell House show is one of many dates Jonah is playing with The Alvin Brothers (both of The Blasters), who just put out Common Ground: Dave Alvin + Phil Alvin Play and Sing the Songs of Big Bill Broonzy on Yep Roc this week. You can stream that in full (via The New Yorker) and a track from Jonah's upcoming LP, with the full list of tour dates, below.
Since we last posted the lineup, The Shaky Knees fest in Atlanta has grown to add The Replacements and more. Tickets also went on sale and are still available. Check out the lineup, headlined by The National, Modest Mouse and Alabama Shakes, in the poster above and the full schedule at the fest's site.
Shaky Knees Music Festival takes place in Atlanta's Atlantic Station, May 9-11, 2014.
Deer Tick and The Hold Steady are both also on the lineup and out on tour together now.
The Hold Steady @ BV SXSW (more by Tim Griffin)
Deer Tick and The Hold Steady begin a 10-show run tonight (4/17) in Boston and to celebrate they've covered one of each other's songs. The Hold Steady do Deer Tick's "Easy" (off 2009's Born On Flag Day); while Deer Tick have recorded THS's "Constructive Summer" (off 2008's Stay Positive). You can stream them both below.
This tour does not hit NYC but The Hold Steady will play the NY-area at two shows this summer with Drive by Truckers: June 27 at Asbury Park, NJ's Stone Pony Summer Stage and June 28 at The Paramount in Huntington, NY. Tickets are still available.
All Deer Tick and Hold Steady dates are listed, along with the cover streams, below...
After the Rock and Rall Hall of Fame induction at Barclays Center, "Nirvana" headed over to Saint Vitus for another show.
Actually it's happening right this second (2:30am Thursday night). Follow @BrooklynVegan on Twitter for more. UPDATE: 4am: It's over.
Joan Jett, J. Mascis, Annie Clark aka St. Vincent, John McCauley of Deer Tick (and Deervana when Deer Tick is a Nirvana cover band), and Kim Gordon fronted Nirvana (aka Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic and Pat Smear) at the gig.
More photos, video setlist from the surprise Greenpoint gig, below...
Outside Lands Festival returns to San Francisco's Golden Gate Park from August 8 - 10. This year's lineup was just announced and includes Kanye West, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Arctic Monkeys, Death Cab for Cutie, Disclosure, The Flaming Lips, Spoon, Haim, Lykke Li, and more.
Tickets go on sale Thursday (4/10) at 10 AM PDT. Full lineup below...
The Hold Steady @ BV SXSW 2014 (more by Tim Griffin)
The Hold Steady and Drive-By Truckers both just released new albums, and both will be on their own tours this summer. Their paths intersect for two co-headlining shows, both in the NYC area: Jun 27 at Asbury Park, NJ's Stone Pony Summer Stage and June 28 at The Paramount in Huntington, NY. Tickets for those two shows go on sale Friday (4/4) at 10 AM but there's a BrooklynVegan presale for both starting today (4/1) that runs from 10:15 AM to 10 PM. Password is "BROOKLYNVEGAN". Get them now!
All dates, including a run the Hold Steady are doing with Deer Tick, are listed below.
Drive-By Truckers @ Terminal 5 recently (more by Greg Cristman)
The Drive-By Truckers recently played Terminal 5 in NYC as part of a tour with Blitzen Trapper. We have pictures from that show. The Hold Steady were one of our headliners at SXSW this year, and just released a new album.
Check out our recent interview with Tad Kubler.
If you miss the BV presale, there are also fan club and Live Nation presales starting Wednesday (4/2) at 10 AM for the NYC shows (before the regular on sale Friday). All tour dates for both bands are listed below...
photos by Sachyn Mital
Twangy rockers Deer Tick returned to NYC last night (3/6) for the ongoing American Songbook Series at Lincoln Center's Allen Room. Given the environment and their partially acoustic setup, they were less rowdy than usual, and their 20+ song set included material from all over their career. They also included a few covers, but leaned most heavily on songs from their 2007 debut, War Elephant, and their newest LP, 2013's Negativity. For "In Our Time" off the latter, Deer Tick singer John McCauley's (once very famous and still active) wife Vanessa Carlton came out to sing guest vocals, which she also does on the album version. PIctures of the show are in this post.
John and Ian of Deer Tick will be back in NYC for the Bob Dylan tribute at MHOW on 3/24 which also includes Elvis Perkins, Langhorne Slim, Dawn Landes, and more.
More pics and the setlist from Lincoln Center, below...
To celebrate the 1980-1990 period of Bob Dylan's career, ATO Records will release Bob Dylan in the 80s: Vol. 1 on March 25. The tribute compilation was put together by producers Jesse Lauter (Elvis Perkins, The Low Anthem) and Sean O'Brien (Dawes, PAPA), and features covers by Built to Spill, Deer Tick, The Hold Steady's Craig Finn, Gene Ween & Slash, Glen Hansard, Dawn Landes & Bonnie 'Prince' Billy, Blitzen Trapper, Yellowbirds, Ivan & Alyosha, Reggie Watts, Elvis Perkins, Lucius and more. Listen to Built to Spill's take on "Jokerman" from the compilation, with the full tracklist, below.
The new compilation will be celebrated with a record release show in NYC the day before its release at Music Hall of Williamsburg (3/24). The show will feature Dylan's music performed by some of the artists on the album, including John & Ian of Deer Tick, Elvis Perkins, Langhorne Slim, Dawn Landes, Yellowbirds, Hannah Cohen and members of Tea Leaf Green. The lineup also includes Spirit Family Reunion (who are not on the album) and "special guests." Tickets for the show go on sale Friday (2/28) at noon.
Stream Built to Spill's "Jokerman" cover with the album tracklist, below...
Governors Ball and Hangout Fest lineups were just announced today (and Firefly yesterday and Coachella not long before that), and now comes the lineup announcement for another big fest, Atlanta's Shaky Knees Festival. The fest goes down from May 9-11 at Atlantic Station with The National, Modest Mouse, Spoon, Local Natives, The Gaslight Anthem, Violent Femmes, Conor Oberst, Iron and Wine, Jenny Lewis, Dawes, Foals, Deer Tick, The Hold Steady, Tokyo Police Club, Graveyard, Mutual Benefit and many more. There's also one headliner still TBA. Outkast?
Tickets go on sale Friday (1/17). Full lineup and flyer below...
Deer Tick at Cannon's Blackthorn in June (more by Kurt Christensen)
Lincoln Center announced the line-up and schedule for the 2014 American Songbook series that presents "American singers, songwriters, and composers in intimate concerts at The Allen Room. Broadway, jazz, folk, and more - these are the melodies that shape the American music songbook." The series begins January 22 (opening artist TBA) and runs through April 5. This year's artists include Jason Isbell, Beth Orton, Deer Tick, and more. In addition to shows in the Allen Room (one of the most spectacular settings in Manhattan), the series concludes with a few shows in The Stanley H. Kaplan Penthouse, including Mark Mulcahy, Hurray for the Riff Raff and more.
As mentioned, Deer Tick's new album, Negativity, will be out at the end of next month (9/24). That's the cover art above. That's a real airplane banner they used and you can watch a video of how they shot the cover art (via The AV Club) below. The band, as mentioned, have tour dates this fall with Robert Ellis, including on in NYC at Webster Hall on November 7 (tickets).
Before that, though, Deer Tick will be back in NYC to do a show under their Deervana alter ego at Brooklyn Bowl on September 13, playing In Utero in full. Tickets for that show go on sale Friday (8/16) at noon.
Updated dates are listed, along with that making-of video, below.
Deer Tick at Rockville Center in June (more by Kurt Christensen)
Deer Tick, who recently kept very busy at Newport Folk Fest, have a new album due out in September, have announced that they'll support that new album with a fall tour. The fall kicks off in October and ends in NYC with a show on November 7 at Webster Hall. That show, and many others on the tour, is being opened by Robert Ellis. Tickets for that show go on AmEx presale today (7/31) at noon, with a general on-sale beginning Friday (8/2) at noon.
Deer Tick also just recently released a single from their new album, "The Dreams In The Ditch." You can stream that, along with the list of all tour dates, below...
Deer Tick @ Newport Folk Festival 2012 (more by Jessica Amaya)
The Newport Folk Festival goes down in Fort Adams State Park in Rhode Island this weekend. Playing the fest are Beck, The Avett Brothers, Feist, Jim James, Colin Meloy, Andrew Bird, The Mountain Goats, Father John Misty, Bonnie 'Prince' Billy & Dawn McCarthy, Justin Townes Earle, Felice Brothers, Jason Isbell, Amanda Palmer, Phosphorescent, Beth Orton, John McCauley of Deer Tick, Michael Kiwanuka, Lord Huron, Frank Turner, Black Prairie, Langhorne Slim, TIft Merritt, Spirit Family Reunion, Blake Mills, Houndmouth, Cold Specks, and more. Check out the PDF schedule.
Tickets are sold out but those without one can still get in on the action via the WFUV stream. "WFUV's Rita Houston and Alisa Ali will host the coverage, along with Ann Powers and Bob Boilen of NPR Music. Performances from the Newport Folk Festival will air live on 90.7FM and wfuv.org on Friday from 2:30-8 p.m. and Saturday and Sunday from 12-8 p.m."
Many of the artists playing the fest are also playing NYC this week like Beck (who also just announced a very small show), Phosphorescent, Father John Misty, Will Oldham, Beth Orton, Houndmouth, Frank Turner and Black Prairie.
Deer Tick, who have a new album on the way, are once again hosting three festival afterparties at the Newport Blues Cafe, the full lineups of which were just announced:
Friday 7/26: Langhorne Slim & Bobby Bare Jr. & Deer TickLike the afterparties their friends in Dawes are also doing, they're all sold out now, but if you're at the fest, they'll "be giving two tickets to Sunday night" to the "attendee who instagrams the best photo on Saturday afternoon at 3pm" with hashtags #negativity and #lookup. They add, "All you have to do is look up." (hint: look up at 3pm on Saturday).
Saturday 7/27: Justin Townes Earle & Jason Isbell & Deer Tick
Sunday 7/28: The Felice Brothers; Deer Tick playing new album Negativity in full.
Jim James, who is back at the fest for the 2nd year in a row, isn't playing those after parties and is done with NYC for now, but just announced a September tour that hits Alabama, Wisconsin, Oklahoma and other places. All of his dates are listed, along with a mini documentary about the 2012 Newport Fest that you can watch, below.
Deer Tick at Cannon's Blackthorn - 6/13/13
Twang rockers Deer Tick, who just announced that their new album Negativity will be out via Partisan Records on 9/24 (listen to a new song below), have been on a tour that recently hit Chicago, and last week (6/13) came to Rockville Center, NY for a show at Cannon's Blackthorn. It was a Tommy Brull Foundation-presented "Shine A Light" benefit like the one Deer Tick played in Wantagh in 2011. The show was opened by Matt Barthel and The Midnight Snacks, and Vanessa Carlton joined Deer Tick for a song during their set. Pictures from Rockville Center (but none of Matt Barthel) are in this post.
Deer Tick's upcoming dates include Newport Folk Festival afterparties (but not the actual festival) and the fall installment of Boston Calling. All dates are listed, along with more pictures from the show, the new song, and a teaser for the new album, below...
Back in 2010 we asked tUnE-YarDs, Fucked Up, Sam Amidon, Doveman, and Deer Tick to cover songs by Katrina & the Waves for a tribute CD in celebration of their hit song "Walking on Sunshine" (which Sam and FU both covered). We released those five tracks online, but the EP never got an official digital release until now! Find all five songs, along with a bonus one recorded by Dawn Landes, at iTunes, Amazon, Spotify AND RDIO.
Meanwhile, Sam Amidon just released an album on Nonesuch and is touring. Fucked Up play Governors Ball this weekend and House of Vans this summer. Doveman aka Thomas Bartlett just played with the National at Barclays Center and is producing a new record for Dawn Landes who is currently touring Europe but will be back to play Rockwood Music Hall on July 9. Tune-Yards recently played the Tibet House Benefit and played with Roomful of Teeth at Lincoln Center where Thomas Bartlett (Dovemen)'s band (one of the many) The Gloaming is playing outside in July. Deer Tick recently played two nights in Chicago and is on the lineup of a new Boston fest happening this fall.
rainy Saturday at Boston Calling Music Festival (via Kevin Begley)
The first-ever Boston Calling Music Festival went down over the weekend (5/25-26) at Boston's City Hall Plaza. It was headlined by The National (whose Aaron Dessner also curated it, and who just did lots of album celebrating in NYC), and also included sets by The National's tourmates Dirty Projectors, The Shins (who also played a NYC show this past weekend), The Walkmen (who play a free show during Northside), Youth Lagoon (who open The National's Barclays Center show), and more.
Despite the rain and cold temperatures we were faced with over the weekend, the inaugural festival still seemed to be a success and festival organizers have already announced that Boston Calling will return this fall on September 7 and 8. The fall lineup is being headlined by Vampire Weekend on the Saturday, along with sets by Local Natives, The Gaslight Anthem, Bat For Lashes, Deer Tick, Okkervil River, and more; and headlined by Passion Pit on the Sunday, along with sets from Kendrick Lamar, Major Lazer, Solange, Flosstradamus, Flume, and more. Full lineup below (via Pitchfork).
Early bird 2-day passes go on sale Friday (5/31) at 10 AM and single day tickets go on sale June 7.
Both Local Natives and Kendrick Lamar also play NYC festival Governors Ball in June, which is only one of Kendrick's upcoming festival appearances in the NYC-area. Vampire Weekend and Solange play a NYC show together, and Solange also plays a free show during Northside. Major Lazer and Flosstradamus will hit NYC for their Mad Decent Block Party. And The Gaslight Anthem play two NYC shows this summer too.
Full Boston Calling fall lineup and flyer below...
To quote SXSW:
SXSW is proud to announce an interview with Syrian artist and cult international legend Omar Souleyman on March 15th from 5-6pm in ACC room 16AB. Omar will speak with Daily Dot Editor Austin Powell about the issues surrounding the devastating conflict in his home country, the evolution of the Syrian music landscape, and what the future may hold for himself and artists like him.This show is one of three BrooklynVegan-presented nighttime events at SXSW this year, and is in addition to our day parties.
Later that evening Omar will be joined by the amazing Black Lips, Deer Tick and more in a special performance at a Red Cross benefit aptly named Our Heart Aches For Syria. The show takes place at Long Center For The Performing Arts beginning at 9pm on Friday 3/15 after the Flaming Lips Auditorium Shores show. Donations are $10 with all money going to the International Red Cross's Syrian Arab Red Crescent. Please join us for a spectacular evening for a great cause. THIS SHOW IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
More details on the Omar events, full lineup and the flyer below...
Deer Tick at Brooklyn Bowl in December (more by Tracy Allison)
Still depressed that those Phish and Disco Biscuits New Year's runs are over? Fear not jam band fans, it's only a matter of months before Mountain Jam returns to Hunter Mountain in upstate NY, June 6 - 9, to be specific. This year's lineup features the first ever Mountain Jam appearance from Deer Tick, along with Phil Lesh and Friends, Primus, The Avett Brothers, Gary Clark Jr, David Wax Museum, Widespread Panic, and of course, Gov't Mule (whose Warren Haynes is one of the festival producers), and others. Pre-sale tickets for the festival are sold out, but early bird tickets go back on sale Saturday (1/19) at 10 AM.
Initial Mountain Jam lineup below...